Top 10 Reasons to Believe Logic Over Religion

Interesting article. Here are my thoughts.

1. Not sure what point you?re trying to make here except that organism needing oxygen, who happen to be living on an oxygen rich planet, does not prove that there?s a God. I agree.

2. Interesting argument and one that was made almost five-hundred years ago by one of history?s most important theologians; John Calvin. Martin Luther (as in the reformer, not the black preacher/activist) also agreed. John Wesley disagreed. I happen to think that the argument is a little short sighted and rests on an understanding of what is possible for a human, rather than what might be possible for an all knowing, all powerful God?if one were to exist. Put simply, even as a human I understand that, when a young woman hooks up and marries a drug addict, he probably isn?t going to suddenly become an upright citizen, adopt her baby, get a good job, and give her a good life. I know that ahead of time, but it is till very much her who makes the decision. Imagine then what God – who has a bird?s eye view, has seen every second of history, and knows the future ? understands. You are faced with a decision, and you make the decision, he just happens to know which decision you?re going to make. I don?t personally see the problem there, but that?s my argument. John Calvin and Martin Luther would disagree.

3. I assume you?re joking here but would say that, on issues of social justice, Hillary?s viewpoint lines up a lot more with the teachings of Jesus Christ than many of her Republican counterparts.

4. Actually, many Christians would agree with you whole heartedly. Ever heard of Theo-Evolutionists?

5. See point number two. If we?re speaking about logic, then we have to assume that the thing that makes him God is that he exists far outside what is possible for a human being. If he were capable of nothing more than a few magic tricks (as you say), than he would be nothing more than a mean kid living up in the sky. If he?s God, however, and the one true God, then he lives beyond human physics and time and space are not issues. Though I admit that I too struggle with the idea that God ?has always been?. As a human, I find it completely incomprehendible.

6. : )

7. See ?Free Will?. Let me add that free will gets a bad wrap by both religious and non-religious people but I would argue that, without it, we?re incapable of any emotions (including love) because everything we do we do out of habit or because we?re programmed to do it. If I do something out of habit or instinct I do it without any joy or sorrow. Imagine life without emotion? How much would that suck?

8. Again, ?Free Will?. It comes with its drawbacks but life without it wouldn?t be ?life!? at all.

9. I actually agree with this one but would argue that our reason for believing is all around us. From nature, to science, to several thousand years of the recorded history of God interacting with mankind. I don?t believe that God asks for blind faith.

10. For the record, only the radical Muslims promise pussy in the afterlife. : ) The rest just get streets of gold. As for the rest of your argument?mmmmm?I?m not sure how to respond to this one. Why do parents lavish love on their children when all that their children do is take, and take, and take? And what does love mean? Figure that out and I guess you?ll understand why we only need to ?believe? to get eternal life. And if you do figure those things out, please write an article about it and let the rest of us know.

11. As for your conclusion, you?ve just argued my theory for ?Free Will?. : )

Thank you! That article just made my day :-D

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Well. Another caricature of an interesting debate.
For instance 1? is about finetuning of universe. Saying “BILLIONS+ of other planets and solar systems” solve the unprobability of our existence is just wrong, because we are in other order of magnitudes : what is the Billions in comparison to the 10 “puissance” 60 decimal precision of universes variable ? This is a real question, if constants of universes where not precisely tuned life could not exist. The answer to that is not “there are billions of planets” because it can’t compare. The answers are : the contants may be correlated or there is an infinity of parallele universes or there is a big architect.
But nothing as simpler as your post.

Marvel

There is two things that make me sick about religious people.
One is those sentences “if God wants”, “we are in God’s hands”…etc…I mean, we are a sort of “automatas” and everything happens because the will of God…so, I don’t have to be worried about my sins because it was the God wills…ah!! in that case it is my foult, I cheated God. God is not responsable about the hunger in Africa, the Tsunami in Asia an Bush in America, the gilties are the entire human being, even the no american voters.
Two is that if you are no believer and say what you think it is an insult to the believers…WHY?? God is in their side, they don’t have anything to fear, why are they feeling attacked if you say your thinkings. Why do they pray for you for telling that?? Are they as sure as they seemed to be?? But if they say their thinkings of God and religion and the sinners like you, you can’t feel atacked cause they have the ONLY true…but they are not pretty sure about that and don’t want to listen what you say….they really insult me telling me sinner and I can’t say that God doesn’t exist…

George Carlin gives us elocuent reason not to believe religion
http://es.netlog.com/go/explore/videos/videoid=645036

This article is a lot of shit! You haven’t the reason and you will never have it. So, what will happen when you die? Why the people feel love? How the universe began to exist? Millions of people are wrong? Don’t criticize the religion if you don’t know the answer for these questions. Only God know it.
I speak Spanish really. I’m sorry for my bad English.

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I agree with the poster, logic is totally against religion. Logic proves things, it works, we have technology and science thanks to it.
And religion just gives a lot of wrong knowledge, written in a book 2000 years ago (written by incult people), and it has been already proved several times that Bible lies, like when it says earth is flat, the sky is a solid dome, god created the sun, and the stars “also”, sun goes around earth, and earth is the middle of universe…

Of course, Church recognized finally that those ideas were wrong, (and apologised to Galileo in 1997!!), but since evolution remains a theory and hasn’t been 100% proved already, they keep trying to make pseude-science with their Creationism, which states that god created everything… But then… who created god? He created himself? He was created by another, bigger god?

We just CANNOT know these things. Everything we can do about it is “guess”… and that’s religion, a big guess…. an invention, to answer questions which nobody could answer. Because human is – by instinct – afraid of unknown, so they prefered to have an invented answer instead of an incognita.

It’s a shame that nowadays, with this modern society we have, there are people who still thinks like in medieval age… We should forbid religion and stop the brainwashing they do to their children, who will believe in that fake knowledge during all their lives…

Religion was really used in the early ages to give the people to believe in and something to do. Now that we know better its all really bullshit.

Great post!!!.

Wow, there’s a lot of really bad science and resourcing in these responses. I’d suggest some of you actually check out what the Bible says on some of these topics before you use it as a source.

Okay, some of these are logical arguments, others just reveal how much you’re trying to bs.

About ID… ID is something created by radical Christians, not the church. The church never had a problem with evolution, and the only reason they had a problem with Galileo was an ego-spat between him and the pope.

I enjoyed your article. But I think that you and some of your commentors (both the secular and theist commentors) have little to no back ground in philosophy.

I find it interesting that most atheists point to world suffering as a proof that God does not exist. Interesting, but no suprise when you consider that the Problem of Pain is the only philosophical argument that even claims to prove that there is no God. When, in comparison there are maybe a few dozen or so arguments that give a logical proof that God exists. I’d say at least half of them are valid.

These arguments prove nothing about the nature of God, nor do they attempt to. But, I would say that they prove enough to refute atheism. Look some of them up:

The First Cause Argument/Contingency Argument
The Argument From Design (popularly known by the “Watchmaker” essay)
The Argument From Desire
The Argument From Conscience

I’ve also noticed that atheists love to remove from themselves, the burden of proof. They can say “God does not exist.” but hide behind the “can’t prove a negative” idea. By this rationale, the hard line Christian who says “Evolution did not happen.” is also free of the burden of proof, and I call bullshit on both of them.

An essay on atheism written by the creator of http://www.deism.com wrote this:

“The atheist demands that the Deist, or theist, provide evidence for the existence of God. They continually resort to logical fallacies of their own, for example, a common one is the Petitio principii (begging the question) fallacy; it goes something like this: there is no God because we find no evidence of God in nature. But is this true? No. We presently do not know enough about nature to make such a conclusion, eventually, the possibility that there is a God could be proven. The atheist has no evidence that the universe is eternal or accidental; they are assuming that scientific speculation somehow equals scientific fact. Obviously there is a great gap between speculation and fact to the rational mind.”

While I do not personally agree with all of his work, I think he has made a very solid argument on this essay.

As for the whole evolution thing… it’s sadly ridiculous. I would love to know where people got it in their heads that if God exists, evolution could not. Or its antithesis: evolution proves that there is no God. Both ideas are laughable. At what point in ANY theory of evolution does it claim that it has, or is even trying to disprove God? Besides, the Catholic Church was in support of evolutionary science and research, and had no problem with it. They were even very public about this as early as 1950.

It’s even more ridiculous to me when I consider that learning and getting excited about evolution actually contributed more to my own belief in God than any church or preacher could ever have hoped to do.

I hope no one takes me as being snide or coming off as “holier than thou”. Most atheists/agnostics I meet are in their frame of mind because of an asshole religious nut that know or once knew.

Don’t let one jackass ruin it for you. The number of Muslims blowing themselves up for the promise of dozens of virgins in heaven, pale in comparison to the number of Muslims who find the notion ridiculous and insulting. You hear the loudmouthed assholes of the group more than any other…. because they are the loudmouthed assholes (go to any European country and see a shocked face when you don’t think like Bush, or have more composure and dignity than Brittney Spears).

I’m not trying to convert anyone here, but almost EVERYBODY goes into this discussion already believing one way or the other and can’t possibly be moved. That is dangerous for any party, whether you believe in God you don’t, you’re walking into discussion with a closed, dogmatic, mind-set,* and the only thing that will accomplish is to engender resentment, dissillusionment and the thought that the other side was full of hopeless dunderheads.

*Atheists can be as dogmatic and organized as any religion, take a look at http://www.secular.org. They have a mission, they hold events, you can become a member and even donate (read: tithe).

I agree that saying there must be an intelligent designer more complex than us is illogical, but so is the Big Bang Theory. Where did the universe come from? Scientist’s can’t think beyond that, because they are stuck in a cause-and-effect universe in which there must be some initial cause for all of this. There must be some other reality or realities where cause-and-effect and time do not exist, and which are supporting/creating this reality. But of course proving such a thing is most likely impossible.

I wish people were not as stupid as they are… most people just get too carried away to be able to see things as they are.

The worst is that it is practically impossible to help stupid people, as they refuse to change and because there are too many of them.

I would like to thank all the people who want to free other from the bond of religion, it is really humanistic and I appreciate the effort you are making to help them, but I must tell you, it is a lost cause.

Anyway, I have already lost any kind of hope in mankind, as most are just way too stupid, and those who are not, are out there making use of stupid people or trying to find a way to do it.

But before I end this post I would want to congratulate religion, government, and companies for being able to control mankind so efficiently, without most of them even noticing it.

Goodbye to you all and lets hope I can get my share out of people before we obliterate our own stupid asses.

we think alike, at least in case of religions.

Great job man. Screw religion.

Like mentioned above, Galileo’s case’s a classic. So’s evolution. And witch hunting. They’d burn their own believers to feel a sense of security over something that doesn’t exist.

Then comes in “God’s Love”. “God” “condemned” the lives of…800000(?) in the recent quake and hurricane. Wow, if that’s love, i don’t want to see what happens to people “he” hates. If he really loves us so much, why doesn’t he bring us all to “heaven” when we die? Since “he” is “almighty” and “omnipresent” anyway. While “he”’s at it, I’m pretty sure “he” can get rid the diseases and suffering that plagues the earth.

Stop believing in that bullshit called religion already. Face it, there is NO GOD in this world. Snap out of it.

Oh, if you see a 17 yr old male in Singapore dying in a weird fashion in the next couple of days, that would be me, and you guys would know that there MIGHT be a god in this world afterall. Till then…screw him.

Ben.

Jenna,
You spell like crap, ramble on like a nut job, and believe in a fairy tale.

Yay you!

LOL. hahahaaaa. well i’m not sure dave if ure comment is meant to disencourage or encourage me but maybe this will clear a few things up i am only 16 years old…… im only in high school. and i was really mad when i wrote the reply to the article…. and i was basically tired of people who don’t have enough common sense to research before they open their mouths… or in this case… post a blog about it. lol. so if your reply back when you said yay you was an encouragement…. thanks….. and if not….. well … i dont relle care….. : )

Awesome, thats all i can say. I read your article and as i was reading i kept thinking this is exactly how i feel! In todays society people are sheep they will follow almost anything.

It was nice article to kill some little time at work. People talk about logic but cant prove that with logic..awesome!!.
I will trust u logically or scientifically if you prove me that something was built or created by itself. (if possible i wanna get a Lamborghini for free) if not then how come this universe created by itself with the hi tech science.:-s…pretty confusing :-s
No one has seen the wisdom or intelligence (none of our five senses sense that) but stupid ppl believe in that but not in God….how come?

anyway ….world’s major population some how believe in God cuz some where their so called will get stuck and all their logic get failed and they start believing Al mighty. Bcuz the God is something beyond the logic. IT will not fit in the tiny brains.

ROFLMFAO. Thanks David. I am a spiritual person and I can laugh at this. I really like your P.O.V. A wise man once said, I like your Christ, but I dislike your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.

Dude, you are crazy, this whle deal is too much for our minds to wrap around, and you can’t explain anything is true or not, anyway, whoever puts the Christian stuff and goes out of their way to do it is good, but overkill giving Christians a bad name, it’s faith, and like it’s said, He gave us free will, to follow Him or to to not, you believe or you don’t it’s that simple, so get off our ass about how we’re wrong. In the end we all will find out, but another thing, Christians are the most pursecuted religious people for their religion in the world. Wierd huh, that this religion, the most persecuted, seems a little far-fetched, but if you do more research, like read a Bible, you will see that God is too big for our minds, that all this is too much for us to understand. “We are made in God’s image.” Think about it then come talk to me about religion.

i would like to add, that i find it amazing that christians can believe fully that their religion is the only correct one, when there are hundreds and/or thousands of religions already around or poping up all over the place..

has anybody heard about that brand-new mexican religion, which focuses upon “saint death”? a perfect example of how religions can just pop up.

i agree that people are insecure and would rather have a made up reason for existance instead of being left in the dark.

and to finish it off, i have one new idea, that hasnt been mentioned in detail. i am a 14 year old, who goes to a mainly christian school (even though i am not christian). everybody there says they are christian, but doesnt seem to truesly believe in god. just like how a baby become accustomed to their mothers voice while in the womb, i think that the reason people are so concrete set as to what they beleive, is that they have been brought up to beleive something.

this may at first seem a bit stupid, but if you think it through, it does make a llot of sence.as children, we pickup language without fault, and it is easy to talk by the age of 5 or so, even if we dont know what some words mean. if we listen to another language (e.g chinese) we often consider it to be silly, or of lower quality to our own language.

the same thing can be said for religion. we grow up around it, and when people are young, their minds are, in a way “blank”. the new mind is made to learn, to evolve, top develop. so in a way, most people DONT have a choice as to what to beleive religion wise.

i only say this because i was brought up without any religion what-so-ever. until yr 2 of school i had never heard of a god, and had never been convinced that one did or did not exist. i didnt really care up until a few years ago.

(note: this is just my view, sorry if i offended anybody)

The single biggest proof that god does not exist is the bible itself. A book that is the inspired word of god written by men, yet so confusing that you need priests to interpret it. So many interpretations come out that there are THOUSANDS of denominations of christians in the world today. It is the equivalent of ideological babylon(to reference the bible)! Would god inspire the creation of the bible knowing full well the confusion it would cause? Is god some sort of cosmic prankster? Why would he “inspire” chaos? Now let’s see who would want to inspire chaos,…. hmmmmmm. Could it be Satan? Nope, because he doesn’t exist either!

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um christians, im sorry of “oh i dont care what you believe im just sayin…etc” bullshit, fuck that, your just straight up ignorant bastards who aree going to die like me and not go to any fucking heaven, your just a cunt whore fairy-tale beleiveing bitch, god isnt real, if you are even conscious you would know that already, but your asleep, just wake up