101 Atheist Quotes

25 Aug 2008

Written by The Atheist Blogger

The following 101 quotes are some that I have stumbled upon on the web, or seen in books / popular culture. Each quote was either written by an atheist, or is about atheism in general.

  1. The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. – George Bernard Shaw
  2. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. – Friedrich Nietzsche
  3. I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. – Frank Lloyd Wright
  4. We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. – Gene Roddenberry
  5. To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. – Isaac Asimov
  6. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. – Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
  7. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the Younger
  8. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. – Anonymous
  9. Not only is there no god, but try getting a plumber on weekends. – Woody Allen
  10. If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. – Isaac Asimov
  11. Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination. – Edward Abbey
  12. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg
  13. I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. – Doug McLeod
  14. The world holds two classes of men – intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. – Abu’l?Ala al Ma’arri
  15. Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? – Anonymous
  16. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. – Susan B. Anthony
  17. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. – Delos B. McKown
  18. Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. – Anonymous
  19. Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. – Francis Bacon
  20. The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. – Richard Dawkins
  21. A God who kept tinkering with the universe was absurd; a God who interfered with human freedom and creativity was tyrant. If God is seen as a self in a world of his own, an ego that relates to a thought, a cause separate from its effect. he becomes a being, not Being itself. An omnipotent, all?knowing tyrant is not so different from earthly dictators who make everything and everybody mere cogs in the machine which they controlled. An atheism that rejects such a God is amply justified. – Karen Armstrong
  22. It is not as in the Bible, that God created man in his own image. But, on the contrary, man created God in his own image. – Ludwig Feuerbach
  23. People ask me what I think about that woman priest thing. What, a woman priest? Women priests. Great, great. Now there’s priests of both sexes I don’t listen to. – Bill Hicks
  24. All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. – Matthew Arnold
  25. Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. – Anonymous
  26. Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one. – Richard Dawkins
  27. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. – Christopher Hitchens
  28. In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. – Friedrich Nietzsche
  29. It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible. – George W. Foote
  30. On the first day, man created God. – Anonymous
  31. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. – Stephen Roberts
  32. You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate. – Richard A. Weatherwax
  33. What’s “God”? Well, you know, when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it? God’s the guy that ignores you. – Steve Buscemi (From the movie “The Island”)
  34. As far as I can tell from studying the scriptures, all you do in heaven is pretty much just sit around all day and praise the Lord. I don’t know about you, but I think that after the first, oh, I don’t know, 50,000,000 years of that I’d start to get a little bored. – Rick Reynolds
  35. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish. – Anonymous
  36. Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. – Don Hirschberg
  37. God should be executed for crimes against humanity. – Bryan Emmanuel Gutierrez
  38. To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldn’t be wrong to ask. – Geoff Mather
  39. I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. – Mark Twain
  40. Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men. – Voltaire
  41. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence. – Bertrand Russell
  42. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? – Epicurus
  43. I’m a polyatheist – there are many gods I don’t believe in. – Dan Fouts
  44. If it turns out that there is a God, I don’t think that he’s evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he’s an underachiever. – Woody Allen
  45. A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. – David Stevens
  46. Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. – Robert A Heinlein
  47. I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. – Douglas Adams
  48. It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain
  49. He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. – William Drummond
  50. Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family. – Steven Colbert
  51. Which is it, is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s? – Friedrich Nietzsche
  52. Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. – Carlespie Mary Alice McKinney
  53. Religion has caused more misery to all of mankind in every stage of human history than any other single idea. – Anonymous
  54. When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life. – Sigmund Freud
  55. They felt that science would be corrosive to religious belief and they were worried about it. Damn it, I think they were right. It is corrosive to religious belief and it’s a good thing. – Steven Weinberg
  56. Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains. – Robert G. Ingersoll
  57. History teaches us that no other cause has brought more death than the word of god. – Giulian Buzila
  58. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. – George Carlin
  59. We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. – Richard Dawkins
  60. A believer states everything must have a creator but fail to say how he was created. – Anonymous
  61. “There are no atheists in foxholes” isn’t an argument against atheism, it’s an argument against foxholes. – James Morrow
  62. People will then often say, ‘But surely it’s better to remain an Agnostic just in case?’ This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I’ve been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would choose not to worship him anyway.) – Douglas Adams
  63. Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived. – Isaac Asimov
  64. If all the Christians who have called other Christians “not really a Christian” were to vanish, there’d be no Christians left. – Anonymous
  65. An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support. – John Buchan
  66. Gods dont kill people. People with Gods kill people. – David Viaene
  67. If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which He has inflicted upon men, He would kill Himself. – Alexandre Dumas
  68. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. – Sam Harris
  69. I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose – Clarence Darrow
  70. No philosophy, no religion, has ever brought so glad a message to the world as this good news of Atheism. – Annie Wood Besant
  71. I refuse to believe in a god who is the primary cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m ‘bad’. – Mike Fuhrman
  72. Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. – Frater Ravus
  73. Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o, and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have. – Penn Jillette
  74. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power but absolute power is corrupt only in the hands of the absolutely faithful. – Anonymous
  75. Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. – Chapman Cohen
  76. The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it. – Robert G. Ingersoll
  77. When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. – Robert Pirsig
  78. I wonder who got the shit job of scouring the planet for the 15000 species of butterfly or the 8800 species of ant they eventually took on board Noah’s Ark. But at least we got that magical rainbow for all their trouble. – Azura Skye
  79. I have no need for religion, I have a conscience. – Anonymous
  80. Man has always required an explanation for all of those things in the world he did not understand. If an explanation was not available, he created one. – Jim Crawford
  81. I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. – Richard Dawkins
  82. What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, Bigotry and Persecution. – James Madison
  83. The characters and events depicted in the damn bible are fictitious. Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. – Penn and Teller
  84. If god is the alpha and the omega. The begining and the end, knows what has passed and what is to come, like it states in the bible, why do people pray and think it will make any difference. – Mark Fairclough
  85. The finality of death is the coldest truth one must face. Religion makes the perfect distraction. – Anonymous
  86. Religion is the opiate of the masses. – Karl Marx
  87. If God created the world, then who created god? and who created whoever created god? So somewhere along the line something had to just be there. So why can’t we just skip the idea of god and go straight to earth? – Ryan Hanson
  88. If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not. – Sam Harris
  89. Atheists will celebrate life, while you’re in church celebrating death. – Anonymous
  90. Animals do not have gods, they are smarter than that. – Ronnie Snow
  91. I have observed that the world has suffered far less from ignorance than from pretensions to knowledge. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. No agnostic ever burned anyone at the stake or tortured a pagan, a heretic, or an unbeliever. – Daniel Boorstin
  92. I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk. – Thomas Edison
  93. Fundamentalism, of any type, due to its prerequisite lack of intelligent thought, could prove to be the worst weapon of mass destruction, of all. – David J. Constable
  94. To really be free, You need to be free in the mind. – Alexander Loutsis
  95. Most religions prophecy the end of the world and then consistently work together to ensure that these prophecies come true. – Anonymous
  96. Jesus hardly made the greatest sacrifice. He knew he would be resurrected anyway. – Anonymous
  97. Religion is like a virus that affects the behaviour of its host in such a way as to propagate itself further. – Jack Pritchard
  98. Religions are like pills, which must be swallowed whole without chewing. – Anonymous
  99. Today’s religion will be the future’s mythology. Both believed at one time by many; but proved wrong by the clever. – Steven Crocker
  100. The Bible – A Fairytale book of rules brainwashing millions. Obliviously used to help create war, kill, hate, judge and discriminate. – Anonymous
  101. Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? – Douglas Adams

Please feel free to comment on these quotes, and inform me of the authors of any I have misquoted or marked as “Anonymous”. There are so many sources for these quotes it’s hard to keep track of who really said what!

153 Responses to 101 Atheist Quotes

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Pensive

August 25th, 2008 at 13:49

I have read every one of these quotes and I have an answer for every one. I am a Christian. The persons who said these things assumed that they knew what all Christians and Christian denominations believe.

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SP

August 25th, 2008 at 14:29

Pensive:
You have the curiosity to have read “every one of these quotes”, yet not enough curiosity to question your own dogma?

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Major Bedhead

August 25th, 2008 at 15:20

Excellent stuff! Thanks for posting this; I shall be bookmarking it forthwith.

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Chuck_the_Hijacker

August 25th, 2008 at 16:26

“Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family. – Steven Colbert”

I think you kind of shoot your cause in the foot when you use quotes from a comedian out of context. And fun fact: Colbert teaches Sunday School.

Also I hope this verbal masturbation of yours has made you feel better about your life and I hope you have convinced yourself that your right. Because that’s the only reason anyone does anything like this.

God Bless

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mjc

August 25th, 2008 at 16:36

Pensive: So what are your answers?

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clement

August 25th, 2008 at 19:07

sp:
he simply doesn’t want to go to hell… and he is still high in religion

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Christian

August 25th, 2008 at 21:07

God Bless you people.

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elias

August 26th, 2008 at 01:20

we atheists like to play with reason, and believers will never understand it. please just don’t feel offended.

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J

August 26th, 2008 at 05:04

Some great quotes there. And nothing I can’t agree with.

In the (paraphrased) words of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams when interviewed by Richard Dawkins for the recent mini-series on Darwin: “Well it’s more poetic language than a statement of fact” (on the bible).

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Atheist

August 26th, 2008 at 06:43

“The Bible – A Fairytale book of rules brainwashing millions. Obliviously used to help create war, kill, hate, judge and discriminate.”

Atheism has its own history. Remember Stalin?

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Paveen

August 26th, 2008 at 07:36

Christianity has its own history…Remember the Crusade?

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Paveen

August 26th, 2008 at 07:39

And saying that Stalin was bad because he was an atheist is ABSURD…there are a lot of people in history that have committed crimes in the name of religion (Crusades, Witch hunts, Jihad, etc) These acts were committed because people belonged to a certain faith.

I challenge you to show me events in history that have taken place in the name of atheism…

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TomWaitsFan

August 26th, 2008 at 10:11

It’s funny that you should say that because Atheism is the belief of nothing, so you think that ‘faith’ is the actual enemy. We place our faith in things all the time, even in the Atheist’s Holy Grail, SCIENCE. You put faith in a seat belt, not knowning if it will break, you put faith roads that should not crumble, faith is and will always be, what makes us different from the other monkey’s in the zoo.

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Paveen

August 26th, 2008 at 12:25

I think that you misconstrue faith in this sense, we are making an informed decision based on science during our daily activity. We know that the chance that the seat belt will not break is minuscule due to the testing, the regulatory agencies and other institutions. The things that we place “faith” on is tangible and any individual and verify the information if necessary.

in religion this is not the case, e.g the bible says that God is a supreme being and thus humans cannot possibly comprehend his/her nature. It is thing kind of blind faith that leads to so much bloodshed, irrational behavior and stifles curiosity.

I am sorry to say that animals also exhibit faith in your sense, imagine a dog and its owner. The dog has faith that the owner will not mix in poison with the daily portion of dog food. So TomWaitsFan, I really don’t see your point.

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Atheist

August 26th, 2008 at 12:37

Paveen, half of the list is about crimes in the name of religion. That’s why I had to mention crimes in the name of atheism. And you dismissed even the idea that Stalin’s crimes had something to do with atheism. What did you use to support your argument? Only capitalization…

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Paveen

August 26th, 2008 at 12:43

I am sorry but what proof do you have that Stalin committed his crimes because he was an atheist (i don’t even know if he..) I will give one simple reason why Stalin committed his crimes, to consolidate political power.

I would like to hear your argument about how Stalin committed his crimes in the name of atheism (tried not to use capitalization this time :) )

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Atheist

August 26th, 2008 at 12:55

Didn’t the crusades have something to do with political power? Yes. But the masses were led in the name of God. Stalin led people in the name of atheism (and some other things). In the real world no idea is nice and clean.

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Paveen

August 26th, 2008 at 13:00

Huh? Crusades were called by the church not kings of countries. I ask you to show me one source which claims Stalin led people in the name of atheism…I am sorry to say that atheism is hardly the motivating force as the religions of the world such as Christianity, Islam, etc.

You cannot say that people committed actions (good or bad) because of religion unless it was in the name of the religion. According to your argument, Christians commit the most murders, rapes, etc because they make the largest group of people on earth.

Since people kill in the name of the crusades or jihad, the religion gets the blame.

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Atheist

August 26th, 2008 at 13:14

Crusades were called by the church – and kings. The church was in the business of politics. How can you separate these two things?

Atheism was an integral part of communism. Stalin’s Russia was build on this ideology and everything was done in its name.

I never said that you can’t blame religion for what’s done in its name. But atheism deserves the same treatment.

My bottom line is: religion or atheism, neither is clean.

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Jax Maxton

August 26th, 2008 at 16:25

This is one of those stupid posts meant to incite people. Why does there have to be fights between atheists and Christians? What’s so wrong with believing? Why worry so much if someone CHOOSES not to believe.

And to the dudes arguing about Stalin and the Crusades: Christian or not, as long as it involves human beings evil things will occur.

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Neil

August 27th, 2008 at 09:28

Oh yes, clearly Stalin committed his atrocities because he was an atheist. Similarly, Hitler committed his atrocities because he was a vegetarian. Or because he was a teetotaller and non-smoker. Pick your favourite non-sequitur.

As one of the quotes above states, it doesn’t take religion to make good people do good things, or evil people (like Hitler and Stalin) to do evil things.

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Paveen

August 27th, 2008 at 09:45

But it does take religion to make good people do bad things….

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg

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Tom

August 28th, 2008 at 10:51

Chill, guys. I’ve got to admit, I’m an atheist, but if you’re happy which whatever belief you’ve chosen, why do you need to argue with each other about it? Just believe what you think is right, and whatever suits your life.

Man, I knew this article would have way more comments than usual, lol.

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Informed Atheist

August 30th, 2008 at 13:05

I do not hate any religion. I do hate those who never question their beliefs, who never bother to ask “why” they are doing what they do. Furthermore, I hate those who blindly accept faith, without reason or logic. If reason supports your faith, there is no harm in accepting it.

No faith can be proved false. No religion can be dis-proved. Not Christianity, not Islam. No, not even that of those morons who ran around outside the Revenge of the Sith premiere screaming “May the Force be With You.”

Atheism is not belief, it is disbelief. No true atheist can be completely and wholly sure there is no God — but he or she can be sure that Jesus, Moses and Mohammad were the most talented liars ever born.

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Melissa

September 1st, 2008 at 21:07

I plan to post one of these quote in my (non-religious) home school classroom and rotate through them. Yes, some people do home school for non-religious reasons. I am a science Zealot…and so are my kids!

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Lacey

September 2nd, 2008 at 16:30

I wonder what proof SP has that penseive has not questioned his/her own Dogma.

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Riki

September 4th, 2008 at 03:25

nice list.. would like to point out.. number 50… it’s StePHen Colbert… Misspelling the Supreme Leader’s name is a pet peeve of ours at Colbert Nation….

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Colbertfreak

September 4th, 2008 at 20:04

Exactly what Riki said.

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zizzy

September 4th, 2008 at 21:59

It’s StePHen

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sri

September 9th, 2008 at 06:45

How can God “exist” if God is the one who created Existence in the first place?

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Franko

September 11th, 2008 at 03:41

A lot of these quotes attack religion. But attacking religion does not disprove the existence of God, as God would exist despite the existence of religion.

Some other quotes merely attack God, but don’t disprove God’s existence at all.

The most compelling argument was by Sam Harris: “If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not.”

I have often thought about this very thing. But the way this quote puts it is very clear. If salvation is based on one’s religion, then it is accidental. One cannot control the conditions of one birth, or the society into which he is born. It would not seem fair for God to deny salvation to someone because he never had access to the true faith. But this quote doesn’t disprove the existence of God; it supposes the existence of God and attacks the notion of religion. Hardly an atheistic argument.

There are three major world religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) that all believe in the same God. All these religions believe that salvation is exclusive to them. It would be unfair to believe that God would only save those by accident of their religion. But since each of those religions has God as similar belief, maybe they all have a chance of being saved. Which would mean that salvation is not earned through one’s religion, but through something else. Maybe God wants us to live a good life and isn’t picky about the religion.

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Vulcan

September 13th, 2008 at 09:55

Wow … great collection.

I am from India and was raised as a Hindu. Having seen poverty up close … I became an atheist.

To those of you who still believe in God … I implore you to pack up your bags and go help the people leaving in abject poverty. No ?

There are christian organizations that help poor people … but their underlying intent is to convert them to Christianity. Regardless that still does not prove the silly notion of the existence of god … since he/she would not have let that happen in the first place. Akin to Bush send troops as part of the surge … to clean up the mess that he himself created.

The bottom 90% of the worlds population is significantly more spiritual than the top 10%. Go figure !!

The World is my country and Science is my Religion – Christiaan Huygens

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Vulcan

September 13th, 2008 at 09:58

Clarification to my post #33 …

“the bottom 90% of the worlds population (in terms of wealth) …”

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Sudeep Chatterjee

September 13th, 2008 at 12:19

What exactly do you mean by “wealth” and how do you define it?

Which if you mean money, — its nothing but a piece of paper which promises to the bearer of that pc. of paper that the Govt. (of whichever country he happens to be in and one can call it that country’s currency!), that (the berer) is given an assurance that that piece of paper is a statement which promises to exchange/barter it in kind with GOLD, or anything equivalent, since this metal will legally be a piece of property which can be used as ‘barter’ in return for anything he wants, in exchange !! Right?
So what does one define “wealth” ! –… something which is exchageable for any eatable, becase if one does not need have access to food, then he will eventually die. BUT THIS “WEALTH” BY ITSELF CANNOT FEED ONES BELLY.

After all we are also a mamal whose basic intinct, till today, is ..SURVIVAL ! After that comes everthing, and anything as ‘left-over’ is extra & one stocks up for the rainy day. Or if one has enough to sqander, then it will be used for anything, fist-pleasure, second- stisfy the WANTS and so on.
Therfore, in todays rat race, is called CASH or as you put it “WEALTH”

So for those children(in proverty) are actually fighting for survival, i.e. FOOD.

So my friend what is your definition of the term WEALTH & POVERTY?
Is it “material or matter”

If its materialistic then the answer is MONEY!

If its MATTER, then comes another million dollar question, which even Einstien could not discover it nor define during his life time ?? [not e=mc-sqaure]

Was that his ultimate goal or isnt that what eveyone is still trying to prove/disprove.

Let me put forth one small question : There are suppossedly “Black Hole” which has been speculated and a zillion theoretical suppositions have been used to explain what it actually is. So far as I know the most viable or likely suppossition that it consist of highly compressed matter which has got such ipossibly high gravitational force that nothing escapes, not even light!

But if its MATTER then one should be physically see it, feel it, smell it, taste it, hear noise generated by such a powerfull material … but so far no-one has experienced or proved any of the above. Simply because our definition of matter is basically based on the assumption of the question —- does matter exist! & if it exists then one should be able to OBSERVE it, i.e, SEE it to exist! If one cant see/feel it, only then does it EXISTs !!

What about these famous qoutes:

“I think therefore I exist”, but is think(thought) a piece of matter..?

OR

Is it our imagination which is proof of existance because that’s not MATTER as we are tought. Its a supposedly a term used frequently,specially by medical people ….. HALUCINATION !!

Well if its a halucination or imagination which has been defined as non- existanct, therfore it not matter? Right…quid pro quo..!

Well then if we oursleves have not been able to diffrentiate between MATTER or IMAGINATORY.

So wher does GOD come in this equation ???????????

If we cant prove that we exist and are not a piece of imagianation or halucination ??

So can one say GOD exists or does one imagine that there is GOD, just to cover up our own inadiquancy to explain any event or MATTER.

So comes the important question. If we cant prove that we exist(as a piece) of matter, how can one say anything about the presence of GOD ( which is suppossedly and ultimately try to explain our own indiqency to diffrentiate between matter & imagination)

That should have been enough to doubt your own existance, forgat about trying to explain what/who is GOD.

Its all our imagination !!! Does that mean that whatever we see, hear, feel or taste are all imagination. Then we safely that our SOUL is the only thing that MATTERs. So if soul is matter, we cant see it, hear it, taste it BUT WE CAN ONLY FEEL IT, therefore it EXISTS & if it EXISTS then that is what is MATTER as we have defined it., which one cant see, feel, taste or hear it, BUT still thats the only thing we can say as matter.

That raises another big Question WHAT EXISTS IS MATTER OR WHAT WE FIND MISSING IS!

Finally I can draw only one truth.. oops! sorry truth has to EXIST and thats what we are still struggling to answer….. By the way which way is your head spinning 000 or 1

I hope that is enough for one dose!
I will be glad to hear what do you have to say about what I have just put into words(virtally) would love to keeeping this issue carried further until I/You/We come to a conclusion ! {{ thats the TRUTH}}

Sodeep

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Sudeep Chatterjee

September 13th, 2008 at 12:31

The basic rule of the jungle is aptly adapted by humans to cover up what they still dont know, but tha jungle law is”SURVIVAL FOR THE FITTEST”

“THUS WE HAVE REMAINED ANIMALS, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT YET LEARNT ANY OTHER WAY TO SURVIVE”

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHERE DOES THE EXISTANCE OR NONEXISTANCE OF GOD FIT IN ??

SO ARE YOU AN ATHEIST ??

BUT JUST BY CALLING YOURSELF ATHEIST IS THE FIRST & FOREMOST THIMG YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING IS THE EXISTANCE OF GOD ITSELF OTHERWISE IF YOU REALLY ARE AN ATHEIST THEN THERE IS NO GOD THEREFORE THERE IS NOTHING CALLED AS AN ATHEIST !! is there ???

ANY ANSWERES ??

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Vulcan

September 14th, 2008 at 08:02

Say, I don’t believe in UFOs … so I am acknowledging the existence of UFOs ? Genius !

BTW … my favorite quote from the above list of quotes – “I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack
of confidence.” – Doug McLeod

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yo

September 17th, 2008 at 18:03

do you believe? who cares! you dont believe? who cares anyway, religion doesnt change a thing, humans will always be humans and is in humans nature all those feelings that some consider right some others dont, thats why humans invented rules and moral to have a consented and agreed why of behaving. chill guys
the truth is that we dont give a shit if half of the world dies as long as our home and comfort are safe.

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The PHA : links for 2008-08-27

September 19th, 2008 at 16:30

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Akash

September 23rd, 2008 at 04:37

Sudeep, J, Pensive…

I fear you’ll have to live with it: Father Christmas doesn’t exist too…

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Nathan

September 28th, 2008 at 00:25

Tom (#24), I’m an atheist too. This argument DOES matter, and I, for one, will continue to explain my viewpoint to religious-minded people because religion is full of lies, tries to control peoples’ private lives, takes away personal rights, stops logical thinking, convinces people to be mindless followers instead of thinking for themselves, forces ridiculous rules and laws down our throats, divides regions and groups of people at a deep emotional level, causes endless conflicts and wars, tries to stop scientific research that helps mankind, creates unjustifiably tax-exempt organizations, promotes mistreatment of women and gays and children, and prompts its followers to knock on my door to try to sell their fairy tales to me.

HOWEVER… religion and its followers ARE useful for a good laugh with their billboards and bumper stickers.

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Born again Athiest

October 20th, 2008 at 17:38

for the believers:

if you knew god wasn’t magical, couldn’t bring you life, or death. never created life, never did anything great. if you knew that by praying to him you wouldn’t get anything out of it — would you still believe in him?

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Bible Verse

October 31st, 2008 at 18:42

Superior post.Sustain the cool work,You should definitely have to keep updating your site

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An Atheist

November 10th, 2008 at 10:22

I’m an atheist.. because atheism is the reply of the Scientific Facts to the bane of religion, On his first day,some bloody slightly intelligent man created a non-existent concept and named it god to explain whatever he could not and thereby control his unintelligent fellowbeings using the mystery of god. And why i hate them, bcoz they popularise god by telling that every good thing is god’s and every bad thing is your fault and make a lot of money, the actual god of those people,in the name of god

I’m an atheist, just not because i love scientific theories, but because religions are a bane and god is an entity created by the intelligent of the older generations of humanity that they never could explain, to disapprove and defeat the super-intelligent people who were considered crazy just because a vast majority could not understand the truth which they explained with science. Nowadays those days are long gone, Now he existence of god has another purpose rather.It is now the dog of the people who actually use it for obtaining the salvation in their higher god, called MONEY. It is also used to create a mob, an army, so they can influence the democratic politics, exhibiting votebank.The power is a requirement always and in democracy, one of the most risky but profitable investment is politic, because along with power,that needs a lot of money to establish, comes a lot of money.Only problem you need a lot of money and people with you. MONEY is power.The unholy link between he religion and power is always inevitable. In the crusades, in the courtships there was always a priest or equivalent who used to control the rulers to a bit.

So do you still believe god exists

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Famous Quotes

December 7th, 2008 at 10:42

well i really enjoyed reading your atheist quotes. very cool.

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Jay

December 15th, 2008 at 10:27

I love how fun it is to get my Christian friends riled up, ‘cuz I’m a complete athiest and it’s fun to hear “but, but” whenever I prove a point. If any Christian would bother to tell me exactly why they believe in God, I’d love to debate. You can find me on this page.

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Jay

December 15th, 2008 at 10:33

Another quotes, not on athiesm exactaly:
“There may be a God, there may not be. Either way, he doesn’t care” by Jace in City of Bones, actual author: Cassandra Claire

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Jay

December 15th, 2008 at 10:37

Also, I think that the people who created the bible were drunks who thought it would be fun to write a book and see how gullible people are. a MESSAGE FOR People who believe GULLIBLEISWRITTENONTHECEILINGANDFISHTRACKSAREONTHEFLOORandjeezifyoucan’tfigureoutwhati’msayingmaybeyoushouldreadthebiblecloser.

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Some dude

January 15th, 2009 at 17:53

An atheist is much like an parasite, not in the fact that it does only harm in the word, but in the fact that it is oblivious to the higher beings watching it, put that in your stupid quotes…

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A believer

January 15th, 2009 at 19:43

First of all i would like to say that I do not agree with Somedude’s inflamatory comment and that his words should not be taken to represent Christian attitudes. Yes, even Christians make mistakes and say things in anger :)
To Jay: I am a Christian and I have to say that I totally agree with you. Many christians do not know why they believe what they believe, or in some cases, they don’t even know what they believe. It is an issue that frustrates me just as it frustrates you.
Since the decision to be or not to be christian is one that will heavily affect the way one lives his or her life and is likely, in today’s world, to be a decision that must be constantly defended(no matter what it is), one should at least look into the matter. However, procuring evidence for and against Christianity is a time-consuming and sometimes confusing task. I am definitely someone who has not spent enough time on it even though I acknowledge it is something that all serious christians should do.
You friends probably stumble over thier words when you ask them to defend thier beliefs because they do not want to look uninformed or ignorant when in fact it would be a much more beneficial thing to admit thier fault and have an intelligent and open-minded discussion. Not many Christians have the courage to do this. To admit ignorance would be to become vulnerable, something no one wants to do too often. So, next time you talk to your friends maybe it would help to come into the situation with a specific question and research it together, with no judging or blaming on either side.
That is how I believe it should be since it is not, as according to Christianity, a human’s place to judge. That place is God’s alone, but hey Christians are humans and they have faults too.

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Some dude

January 16th, 2009 at 14:40

haha what I said “a believer” was not out of anger but out of truth, as you have your opinion that everyone is right, I do not. Ignorance seems to me to be the only true reason for atheism. Maybe you took my statement incorrectly, I was not calling atheists a plague on the earth, they, as we all are, are creatures. Creatures that do not have full ruler ship or for that matter, nearly any. Atheism is based of logic formed by man and man still cannot explain some happenings, if you would rather represent Christianity then please do so in a courageous way.

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Hexiva

January 17th, 2009 at 02:16

‘With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.’

No, it doesn’t. How about Milgram’s infamous experiment in obedience? Surely you can’t blame that on religion. Surely you can’t think shocking an unwilling victim isn’t an evil thing. And surely the people in that study weren’t particularly evil people, in and of themselves.

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a believer

January 17th, 2009 at 16:03

Maybe I did misunderstand your comment. I agree that Christians should stand up for their faith unapologetically but, not in spite and the word parasite, to me, sounds very angry.
Anywho, its ok. :)
And, by the way, how did you get the idea that I think everyone is right?

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Okay..

January 18th, 2009 at 11:13

Not believing in anything is considered something. Just as Religious people are “ironic”, so are the Atheist.

peace out.

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Finnmark

January 22nd, 2009 at 12:06

GOD = Great Out Doors

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Afzal

January 25th, 2009 at 06:56

History has proofed that religion has bought more wars, more hatred among countris, peoples and more casulties than any other reason

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An Atheist

January 30th, 2009 at 06:04

There is no point arguing with a believer since continued faith in the face of evidence contrary to their belief serves only to reinforce their conviction. You cannot “convert” someone to atheism, you can only arrive there with on open mind.

Atheism is not the belief in nothing, it is: not believing just because someone tells you so. Christians don’t believe in Krishna or Buhhda – why not, because someone has told them God is god instead of being born into a society in which Krishna or otherwise is god.

I do not believe in God. If god exists (and is omnipotent), then my non-belief in Him must be part of His divine plan. Who am I to question God?

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Nick Bell

February 9th, 2009 at 19:48

You Know these quotes are very interesting they trully show how ignorant athesism. Do people have nothing better to do than to make false acusations about something so big the human mind can not comprehend. “…People don’t question there faith…” How do you know that maybe they do, everyone has a bit a doubt every know and then. I honestly believe these quotes are made by people who can’t comprehend something so they give up, Because seeing is believing right? Oh, who created the big bang theory!

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olatron

February 13th, 2009 at 09:51

Some (not all) of the religious people posting here only add to the argument that faith is linked to a lack of intelligence. Some Dude proves this point very well.

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Brian V

February 22nd, 2009 at 09:44

If we could convince everyone on earth to stop praying and just live morally, honestly, and most important Love. Love yourself, love human nature, love mother nature, just love it all and go about our everyday lives cherishing this wonderful life and earth that we PRESENTLY have before us then we will have arrived in heaven. I currently live my life this way and do not hurt anyone in thy process. If we all did this god just may find that earth is better than his heaven and come down to have some tea with us, maybe even take in a ball game… I ask this, if this did in fact occur would god still send us all to hell for not acknowledging him althoug we all lived righteously? If the answer is yes then I know a very large amount of GREAT people in hell and would prefer to be there with them anyway. I am my own god and this earth in this my only life is my heaven. I am not just content with this but so very appreciative!

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Otaika

February 25th, 2009 at 17:55

To An Atheist: You’re nonbelief is because God gave all humans a choice. Not because it is God’s will.

To olatron: Albert Einstein believed in God. You are saying that he isn’t intelligent?

To the people who were arguing that history has proved that religion has bought more wars, more hatred among countries and people and more casualties than any other reason: Most of those casualties, wars, hatred were caused by misled Christians. The Crusades is an big one.

To Brian V: The only reason why there is love in the first place and why its considered right in the first place is because God is loving. If the earth didn’t start out with true Christians, this earth would be totally devastated. The belief that love is good has been passed down from them. If it hadn’t been for them, there wouldn’t be anybody thinking about love, compassion, etc.. There would also be many more different ideas of what is good and right. For example, why would there be any ideas that adultery is wrong? It doesn’t hurt anybody. Why is killing wrong? We are all gonna die anyways, some sooner than others.

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Brian V

February 27th, 2009 at 00:04

Christians,christians, christians……you really only see evil dont you? You live in a scary evil world where the devil and sinners haunt your every second of existence. You embelish such evils only to magnify them into reality. Once their is such evil you can then validate your existence for your god. Im not saying evil doesnt exist, i just would prefer not to fixate on it and make that my focus. I find the good things and stay on them. I search my own heart and strength in times of turmoil and I know that this beutiful life very well is my only life. If its not then thats icing on the cake. Just how bad do you have it where the existence of heaven is the only thing that keeps you going? I sure can understand some poor kid growing up in the slums of India where his parents are muredered and his sister raped would have to believe just to get by that there must be a better place than this. And so he hears this grand tale that if hes good and prays to god and bla bla bla he will go to this better place, I get it. But whats your story? Why do you need it? This is America, this is heaven, and that child can find heaven too? He needs to think for himself, act, and get his little ass out of there. He has the power to do that, but if he gets too caught up in this heaven and hell bullshit hes going to rely on some fake being to get him out of there and out of there he will not get! All you have to do is be willing to think about it, and if you allow yourself you will know that there is no god, no heaven as described in the bible and no hell as described in the bible. It really is as simple as that. Why not live in reality and worry about death when it comes to us. Sure where all gong to die so are we supposed to just sit around and wait for it to happen? I love because I choose to love, not because I am forced into it for fear of actions against me if do not. I am a true husband, firefighter, citizen, brother, neighbor and friend. Most of all I am true to myself!

Otaika- quick answers…..Trial and error and 60,000 plus years of intelligent human life has evolved humans into knowing what is wrong and right, adultery hurts the partner who has placed their trust in you so yes it does hurt people, and killing isnt always wrong if you must eat a chicken or defend yourself against a charging murdering army of ignorant christians.

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Jeezus

February 27th, 2009 at 14:36

Albert Einstein’s belief in god kept him from even attempting to understand quantum mechanics.
When asked to comment on quantum mechanics:
“God does not play dice” -Albert Einstein
He was a brilliant man, but his religion kept him from becoming even greater. You don’t often hear about his twilight years but I’m sure there is something on wikipedia about them.

Mislead christians? mislead how? How do you separate the mislead christians from the properly lead christians? Do you wait until a group starts doing bad things and then conclude that they are being mislead? Then how do you prevent it? The truth of the matter is, a mislead christian is still a christian and they went into those conflicts because of their faith, they were convinced that those conflicts were justified because of their faith, they killed because of their faith.

People aren’t good just because the bible tells them to be. I’m an atheist, and I help people whenever I can, I’m polite or at least civil, to everyone even if I dislike them, and I’ve never been in a fist fight in my entire adult life. I still however stand up for myself and don’t let people push me or my friends around. Am I incapable of love because I’m not christian?
Christianity looks at things very often in terms of black and white, good and evil, and there are no such things. There is no black and white, only shades of gray. Actions in and of themselves have no meaning, only the meaning we place on them. That’s why americans view the way women are treated in the middle east as wrong, and why people in the middle east view the way americans let their women “run amuck” as wrong. It’s all perception. There are some things that are viewed by most humans as wrong like murder, rape, and stealing, but obviously not all humans view these things as being so wrong, or there wouldn’t be any.

I don’t like religious morals being imposed on me in the form of law. That is my major concern with religion. I don’t like environmental policies that don’t take care of our only planet. Not everyone believes the end of times is near. I’m tired of christian pro-lifers telling people that abortion is wrong, and then complaining about welfare and other “tax-money draining” systems that support these children that might otherwise have been aborted. I can only surmise that pro-lifers don’t want abortions, they want battered and neglected children.
I don’t like people telling homosexuals that they can’t marry, or adopt children because they are homosexual. Doesn’t the bible tell you to love all men as your brother? Why doesn’t it seem to apply to homosexuals, atheists and in some cases other religions?

Regardless of what the morals of most religions claim to be, I can only go by what the morals of those religions seem to be, and to me they don’t seem to be very morally sound.
I’ve always thought it was funny, but I’m an atheist and I embody more christian values than most christians I’ve met.

P.S. Otaika, the Earth didn’t start with christians. ;) Even if you go strictly by the bible, jesus was still jewish. =)

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Darwin

February 27th, 2009 at 15:47

It distorts my brain knowing that world leaders, doctors, lawyers, police,etc supposed responsible intelligent people still believe in fake godly beings. It destroys my hope for humanity for if we can never get past this virus we may never evolve enough to save ourselves when the world is faced with exstinction. We have the proper brain tools to solve vast problems and with a little funding for testing on things like embryos and stem cells we really could divert a world catastrophe whether it be man made or mother nature. However we are constantly catapulted back to the middle ages every time a vote goes in the churches favor. Churches dont deserve tax exemptions nor do they a voice in the government. We have solved many problems on this earth but we cant get adults to stop believing in Santa Claus! It makes me sick! All I can do is teach my kids the TRUTH and let them know how rediculous all that is and hopefully they can persuade the children of Otaika and Sudeep and many others while they are still a molding mind of the obsurdness of their beliefs. Teach your kids to think for themselves and why not give it a try yourself.

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Jim McCann

February 27th, 2009 at 16:58

In the beginning there was this void….
Then it got a bit muddled….

Central message of the Bible
God created everything (including himself presumably)
But neglected to go into much detail leaving his audience to pretty well make it up and guess.
(This was to become a bit of a problem; when a few people began to figure out just how big and old it all is. After all we were made in his image and we were getting smaller and smaller in the scheme of things).

Jews kept God in a box, only a few were allowed to see it and then very rarely, then they lost it
Then found a guy pretending to be God (Well his son)
And hung him
Then his followers wrote another book and attached it to the Old one. (the one with all the made up stories)
His claim to fame…….
Christmas joy, It’s a boy
Virgin Mary’s not so coy.
Five feet nine he’s divine,
Changes water into wine.
He’s no fool, keeps real cool,
Walks across ‘the swimming pool’.
Bread and fish what a dish,
Fed five thousand ‘piece of piss’.
It’s a lark after dark,
Kissing Judas in the park.
Long white robes Jewish nose,
Hangs about with the Holy Ghost.
It’s too bad, and quite sad,
Having to die, to see your dad.
He’s not frail, but went quite pale
They crossed his legs to save a nail.

Then 1500 years later some followers thought for themselves and fell out with the bosses.
Lots of bloodletting and killing later we had two churches.
During the next five hundred years or so the churches were to split again and again and again, lots more killing and ethnic cleansing.
Then most countries became Democracies and became secular (The rulers owing their allegiances to the people rather than a church in another country)
Then we had the technology explosion Radio, TV and the Internet
Freedom at last…… Well no
Then we had freedom from religious intolerance and an explosion of new age religions ALL claiming the same rights as the old ones, i.e. TAX BREAKS.
The Older religions caught on and learned to use the power of propaganda rather than the Stake or sword and found that it was more efficient to bribe and coerce people into staying inline through the power of money.
Then politicians became aware of the power of the churches i.e. Money and votes.
So where are we now…. Well we have multi millionaire TV Evangelists living lives of luxury….. Telling the same old stories.
Keeping their followers in the dark and feeding them the same old shit.

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Jim McCann

February 27th, 2009 at 17:08

So why should anyone (other than Jews or Christians of course) believe the Jewish/Christian creation myth, (told by some goat herders in the Middle East a few millennia ago) to any greater extent than any other religious belief. One of the answers to this question lies in the nature of Christianity it is fundamentally a huge business where the greater the congregation the greater the money it generates and the greater the power it has in spiritual and political matters.

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Half an atheist

March 1st, 2009 at 13:34

Im half atheist (which i guess makes me agnostic as i dont follow a religion but accept that logical possibility that there is a God) and i love alot of these quotes. However, I feel many atheists seem a little misguided. The constant reference to Dawkins is pathetic…. he’s done nothing for atheism except make most atheists look like idiots in philosophical circles. Nearly all of his points are proven ill-fated by Richard Swinburne in his arguments trying to show that, logically, a God must exist. I am very against religion…. it certainly has cost more people their lives than its saved. However, criticising Christians does not make you an atheist…. Showing that a god doesnt exist does, and no-one (not Hume, not Dawkins, not anyone I have ever read work by) has managed to defeat alot of the logical arguments Swinburne gives!

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BrianV

March 1st, 2009 at 20:37

There is no logic in religion. Logical possibility that there is a god is an oxymoron. If you were born into a life where not once did anyone EVER mention religions and God, you would never just start thinking that it makes sense that there possibly is a higher more powerful being up in the stars and a burning hell fire below us. However if you were born where never did anyone ever mention evolution, it is possible that you just may figure it out on your own regardless. One makes perfect sense, the other is immature and down right ludicrous. This is not an opinion. I just will have to wait till you or I die before I can prove it fact.

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Half an atheist

March 2nd, 2009 at 08:51

Im not sure i can agree with that, BrianV. As i said, i dont follow a religion, but the existance of a God can be made with arguments that are a posteriori. There are many things that point as evidence to the fact that some higher being may exist, in the way that there is substantial evidence to suggest evolution and the big bang theory and every other thereom about the world. My point is that science is never 100% certain on the grounds that there is a logical space for doubt. If I throw a ball in the air 100 times and it came back down 100 times, I would use that as an example to show the existance of gravity, yet you couldnt well tell me that it is logically impossible for the ball to hover int he air. In fact that makes perfect sense as a statement. If only once the ball is not affected by gravity when science says it should be, then the arguments for gravity become null. Similarily, if there is one unavoidable argument showing the non-existance of a higher being then God cannot exist (note: i am not stating the Christian God or anything…. i just mean some higher being that caused the universe that we would call god) then fair enough but there isnt. Besides saying we may figure evolution out ourselves is really not likely…. people decided a god exists because it is a much simpler and sensible explanation long before evolution was even half contemplated! You ‘figure out’ evolution because you are taught some basic laws of biology, not by your own logical means. Its just as logical to “figure out” that a omniscient, omnipotent being made the universe, because that makes perfect sense to someone born who’d never heard of God or religion but had also never heard of science!

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jpka

March 3rd, 2009 at 21:15

I’ve decided I’m afraid to die. We have one life to live, so we have to have fun with it, not waste praying for redemption for 10 minutes every time we bump into someone in a restaurant or smoke a cigarette. Life is a great thing and to think that some racist, powerful dude in the sky is going to fix all our problems is insulting. I’m a Humanist which is a branch of Atheism. Google it, it’s one of the few religions that makes sense.

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Elijah

March 8th, 2009 at 00:16

the real question is,
How many of you know of Godwins’ Law?
Notice how quickly Hitler was stated as being evil,
Since when was he evil?
no real point here just wanted you all to know what Godwins’ Law was/is.
haha the longer your posts get the less i read, sorry my eyes hurt.
I’ll look them over tomorrow thou.

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nymarnky

March 8th, 2009 at 03:12

Good point . . both of you.

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Tony

March 8th, 2009 at 03:54

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” – Stephen Roberts

I couldn’t have said it any better myself. =]

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Kagehi

March 8th, 2009 at 14:34

More sensible how HAA? Sounds like you are making the argument from incredulity. That somehow, because people make things, it makes sense that something had to “make” everything. This doesn’t even follow in man made objects, where failure to understand the rules of the universe clearly has, can, and continues, to result, in some cases, in behaviors, designs, or failures, which where not predicted by any engineer. And, in the software world, its pretty much inevitable. Just replacing one part, or program, in a computer can, in some cases, cause drastically unpredictable results, which where never “designed” into it.

That we can imagine something that can “predict” and “know” everything, and thus not make such mistakes, while we continually fail to, doesn’t make such an imagined thing “exist”. Nor is it entirely clear that such a being does exist, since, if he/she/it did, they wouldn’t have created DNA, which makes even the most sophisticated software we have to date look like a perfect geodesic dome, when comparing such a dome to a bowl of spaghetti. I.e., genetics makes the incidental errors, and complexity, we get in computers now look “understandable” and “error free”, by comparison.

The logical space of doubt is a good thing. Attempting to “fill” the gaps with something that is imagined as a 100% perfect fit never works. Someone inevitably zooms in on the fractal, showing more, but tinier, gaps, and fewer places for such a creature to fit into. The only thing such an argument actually does is show an unwillingness of some people to simply say, “I don’t know yet”, and instead sit some place an think really really hard about what should fit in there. And… surprise, surprise, somehow the only thing they find to “fit” the hole is stuff already put in their head by someone else.

Its the same problem you get with revelation: Garbage in, garbage out. If you see something you don’t know, then look **it** over real well, you might learn something. If you see something you don’t known, and instead do nothing but “think about it”, all you will get is what is already between your own ears. Its hardly surprising that a philosophical (i.e., lot of time thinking, without actively doing anything like experiments) solution to the problem of “gaps” is inevitably going to be something a) someone else already suggested, and b) is widely believed enough that it won’t be rejected as insane.

Or, lets put it another way. Various experiments have been run with computers, to see if they can “find” new mathematical solutions, so they where given the basics, things to test against, and allowed to run. In all cases, thinking about what other people already thought of, i.e. philosophical examination of math, resulted in any number of different, and sometimes unknown, ways to do the same things we already **knew** how to do, but never once has such a machine “invented” a new formula for something we didn’t already figure out. To do that requires stepping out of the box and looking at things that you don’t already know something about. Philosophy is crawling **into** the box, on the theory that disconnected your examination from the unknown can give you a purer view of it. But, all you can get from that is *what you already have*.

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charles rinehart

March 8th, 2009 at 15:29

I find it funny the idea of a god. I mean, how ludicrus can you get? Has anybody ever given thought to how women must think about this man-centric thinking?
If I was a woman, I’d think all religions are fearful. I’d think my body must be horrible to see. Why else cover up? What’s to fear?
Men fear what they look like. They’re scared of a hardon, a boner. They’re scared of their reaction to a naked woman.
I follow no religion cause they treat anybody different like shit. Yeah, like shit. They can’t even agree on what’s right. Or wrong.
How dare you assume that any god has emotions? Or cares about our actions on this Planet? How egotistical it must be to be jamming down our throats your “beliefs” which are the words of Bigots, Rascists, and Sexists.
Face it: Religion is full of crap. Only children believe in miracles. And Santa.
Then they grow up, and find out there are no miracles. There are no Magical Beings guiding their lives.
This is the truth, whether you like it or not:
There are decisions, and consequences. You make bad decisions you get bad consequences. Good decisions you get good consequences.
There are no morals.
No god in the sky. No “son” murdered, only to “rise” three days later.
There is no hell. Only if you live mentally in hell. Or a dictatorship.
Maybe this delusion will disappear when people get their head out of their asses and really look at reality.
People starving.
People doing the right things and still getting fucked over.
More work, and less results.
“Pro-lifers” KILLING people because of a differing point of view.
War in the name of “GOD”. Just the way to prove a point to non-believers that because of superior weapons, MY god is more powerful.
Juvenile, isn’t it?
Slavery is not only ok, but there is a monetary system in place and rules that excuse ABUSE and KILLING of “servants”.
“God” is terrible with money. He always needs more, every week. He’s worse than a “trophy wife” with credit cards.
God exists?
Only if you believe ignorance is bliss.

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Shed light

March 9th, 2009 at 18:32

It is funny to me how all the religious folks ended up on this website. I assume they did the same thing i did, typed in atheist quotes on google. The must be doubting their religion. The bottom line is that no one knows for sure how everything started, but believing in myth and legend as fact is ridiculous. Why didnt the christians become muslims early on in their faith? How come theMuslims didnt become Christians? they both are old religion and both have religious text that are “true.” The reason is because their parents taught them and that was it. Kids believe that santa is real because everyone around them says it is.That doesnt make it so. This is the same reason people believe in their religion because they were scared since they were little kids.
The bible has so many contradictions but it is the word of god. how is that possible?
PS-SCIENCE ISNT A WAY TO EXPLAIN THE “BEGINNING.” IT IS A WAY TO MEASURE WHAT IS TANGIBLE AND THE RULES THEY FOLLOW (i.e. math, physics, astronomy, and so on.)
IF IT WAS UP TO THE CHURCH, WE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE COMPUTER. WE WOULDNT HAVE ADVANCED ENOUGH TO DO SO. THE CHURCH BELIEVED THE EARTH WAS FLAT AND THE SUN REVOLVED AROUND THE EARTH. RELIGION IS THE BIGGEST OPPONENT TO SCIENCE ADVANCEMENT.i.e stem-cell research is a recent example. AT ANY RATE, KEEP YOUR DAMN RELIGIONS TO YOURSELF..AND FOR THE RELIGIOUS FOLK HERE, GO AWAY AND STOP COMING TO ATHEIST BLOGS IF YOU ARE SUCH A BELIEVER..LOL

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kristen

March 10th, 2009 at 00:33

“It’s funny that you should say that because Atheism is the belief of nothing, so you think that ‘faith’ is the actual enemy. We place our faith in things all the time, even in the Atheist’s Holy Grail, SCIENCE. You put faith in a seat belt, not knowning if it will break, you put faith roads that should not crumble, faith is and will always be, what makes us different from the other monkey’s in the zoo.”—tomwaitsfan

…i just think this is hilarious… when was the last time any human being did something based on the belief of nothing? obviously they must believe in something, be it a paper clip, or perhaps something that is morally instilled within them, just because they don’t believe in some being in the clouds watching, and judging, and compiling the lives of billions of people means jack shit to anyone who has taken the time to maybe open a history book, or even the bible itself, as few “christians” with the interest of coming to an atheist quotes page probably have not.

hahah literally this made my night…. i’m literally laughing out loud, also to the person who just put, “god bless you” i’m pretty sure that’s what the christians who have no actual knowledge of their religion, but are scared of what will happen to them when they die, say when they feel threatened, it’s the equivalent of a high school cheerleader waving her pom poms at the rival team.

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Steve Palubinski

March 12th, 2009 at 22:17

Not only does compiling a list like this represent a considerable effort – it seems to point to a driving passion for something. If you ever figure out what ’something’ is – please let the world know.

How does Humanism fare under your scrutiny? The great humanist experiments of the 20th century killed more people than all the ‘religious’ wars ever fought. The consequences of their misguided social programmes still deprive millions, perhaps billions, of people of basic human needs and rights. These were and are ’scientific’ social systems underpinned by ‘reasoning’ not ignorance and superstition.

Some reasoning minds would arrive at the conclusion that the corporate nature of humanity itself is the problem – not one or another belief system or world view.

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brianv

March 13th, 2009 at 13:35

So your saying as a direct result of humanism in the 20th century more people were killed than every holy war ever faught?

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Timothy (TRiG)

March 13th, 2009 at 16:34

Well, I hope I can help to clear up one mistake made by a couple of posters above.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

“The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve.”

“I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”

“I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.”

Albert Einstein

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_einstein.html

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While I’m here, here’s another.

“All great religions, in order to escape absurdity, have to admit a dilution of agnosticism. It is only the savage, whether of the African bush or the American gospel tent, who pretends to know the will and intent of God exactly and completely.” H.L. Mencken

More of my favourites can be found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A3342430

TRiG.

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Kevin G

March 14th, 2009 at 16:58

The hardest thing about remaining a faithful believer today is the association it causes with other believers.

I find most of the 101 atheism-related quotes interesting and though-provoking. They don’t make me afraid to keep believing – they make me even more curious to ask my own questions along the way.

But those of you who responded with angry, pro-religion rhetoric make it very challenging to be anywhere near you.

It makes faith and religion a uniquely private experience for many of us – because the most of the people who are believers are so offensive to be around.

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MotheoD

March 16th, 2009 at 15:04

I put my faith in science. Science can give me facts and truth. What is religion giving the world right now? Please…if there was not for religion don’t you agree this world would be a lot more peaceful place to live in? If you all look at all the comments, there is more “believers” being angry then atheists. That is because we atheists seem to have more tolerance for people that does not believe in facts/science and we don’t like to go to “WAR” just because the rest of you believes in invisible guys.

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sparky

March 21st, 2009 at 00:21

Throughout history, more people have been killed in the name of “Christianity” than any other reason. Your hipacracy is insane. Religious people out there need to keep your religion to yourselves. I dont go around try to convert you to atheists.

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mehmet1453

March 26th, 2009 at 00:01

Science and religion do not have to be enemies they certainly were not during the age of enlightenment were many scientific pursuits had church funding and backing. I think that most of the nonsense that holds science back is perpetrated by fringe groups for example the main denominations (Catholic/Anglican) support biological evolution it’s just more of the loony nutters who are more right wing than Genghis Khan that seem to have problems with science, they do not speak for all Christians and should not even be deluded into thinking that they speak for the majority.

As for the past nationalism, religion and other ideologies have a bloody sordid past I think that has more to do with humanity abusing
belief systems to their gain. If not religion then nationalism if not that they would find an another excuse to go to war one way or the other.

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N_4214

March 29th, 2009 at 09:21

I in my life have never met a religious person. I see around me, those who in their daily lives reap the benefits of modern science but when prompted will turn around and say that same science is fictional; the same science that brings them the opportunity to spread lies, deceit, and hatred through the internet. I see people take pills for their cancer because they do not truly believe their prayers have any effect. I see every modern society has within it a system of justice because the people believe if there is a god he is impotent to stopping evil. Theists? No, I have never met one. I have been called many a horrible thing for being an atheist, and I say to their face that they too are atheists, I just have the balls to admit it.

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Jim666

April 4th, 2009 at 17:51

Why do Christians never tell us which denomination they are, its as if they are trying to kid the rest of us that Christianity is one big happy family when in reality it is far from it. as for a God every Christian denomination think they are the true spokes people for ‘Christ’/ God Every Christian Denomination, Sect or Order seem to have a different spin on ‘their own God’ most of them have bloody histories. So if Atheists seem to attack Christianity its because they are seen as the most dangerous, the most intolerant and the most bigoted of all the world religions. As for being a half atheist or half Christian this is just daft. Which half a God is it, God on the stick or just the stick?

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Jim666

April 4th, 2009 at 18:10

Joe Stalin and Hitler were both good ole Catholic boys, and probably used Christianity as their models for world domination. KILL EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU. Christianity the most Genocidal, mass murdering organisation the world has ever seen. If there were a God I doubt if he she or it would have anything to do with Christianity at least Jesus stayed true to his religion Born a Jew and died a Jew and the dying bit seems to be so appealing to Christians.

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Jim666

April 4th, 2009 at 18:29

In response to mehmet1453 science and religion not being enemies. I think you had better read the diktats that emenate from the Pope.
Try reading some of the encyclicals from past Popes these are not in any way reasoned they are diktats claiming ultimate truth from divine source to be believed or else. Pope Pius XII stated “scientific research is a reprehensible desire of novelty” and only his lot could determine the truth. Enemies does not come close, Its not that long age that Christianity was burning books and scientists.

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Jim666

April 4th, 2009 at 18:45

Pope Pius XII on evolution “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which through generation is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own”.
Don’t go blaming Adam he didn’t plant the bloody tree of knowledge all he did was use his gift of enquiry and took a bite. Now if this act condemns humanity to ignorance and despair then the fault lies with the negligence of your God, and totally destroys the notion of infallibility, forgiving and greatness. On a scale of comparative sins this one small misdemeanour pales into insignificance against those committed in the name of the Church by Popes and Bishops. If Sin is passed down the ages then there should be a World Court to indict the Church on behalf of their own God. As for the theory of evolution, that’s it then Catholics are told not to believe it OR ELSE.

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Owen

April 12th, 2009 at 20:17

I see from browsing the comments that some of you have been sucked into the religion vs. science argument. Atheists say “I believe in science!” and religious types say “I believe in god!,” but it’s a pointless argument because the two have nothing to do with one another. Science has nothing to do with religion. It’s concerned with observing and studying the natural world, not with philosophy. There have been thousands of hours devoted to disproving science by literalists because they feel like they have something to prove, but nothing with which to prove their point. There have been zero hours spent by the scientific community trying to disprove god.

Atheism is not a belief in nothing. I believe in many things. I believe in the wonder and complexity of the natural world. I believe in the wonderful compassion that can be shown by humans. I believe in living a happy and full life, doing everything in my power to leave this world in better shape than I found it. Atheism is not a belief in nothing, it is taking oneself out of the whole system all together.

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NateJ

April 19th, 2009 at 21:28

I am on your side Owen, but I will say philosophy and science have a lot to do with each other, as philosophy is a branch of science. Not physical, atomic, nuclear, mathematical, or historical science, biological science (although philosophy is a complete subsection by itself).

Philosophy is a specific science of Anatomy. Anatomy studies the the human body, philosophy studies the human mind, which is a part of said body.

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NateJ

April 19th, 2009 at 21:32

Whoops a omitted a section to my last comment.

Philosophy comes from the human mind which are thoughts, feelings, illusions, halucinigations, dillusions, processes, etc. of the human brain, which is how its a form of anatomy which is inarguably a science.

I do agree with you otherwise, I just wanted you correct you on one part (unless you can prove me otherwise).

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Bryan

April 20th, 2009 at 21:43

this is a bunch of garbage. i would take my time to prove each and every one of you foolish sluggards wrong, but i have better things to do with my time. i’m trying to do a research paper and this is the horse crap i find online. take your foolish babbling elsewhere, at least get your stories and “wise” sayings straight. i know that my God is real, and He’s the same God others know. Christians only want to help you, but you know you’re wrong and deny the truth. people are condemned, not because of God, but because we humans are a filthy, evil species. but Jesus Christ was crucified, by these same humans, so that we might have a hope and reason to live. i’m not saying that i’m any better than any one of you athiests, or whatever you call it, but i do have Christ alive in me and i have a hope and reason to live. He’ll forgive anyone that repents, but some of us are too foolish to do so. you’ve taken your condemnation upon yourself. i feel sorry for you people.

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Bryan

April 20th, 2009 at 22:04

and let me clear this up-there isn’t a SINGLE contradiction in The Bible. if you’re athiest, then you wouldn’t read The Bible, and therefore, cannot make such assumptions. the only contradictions that may occur are from man, not God. they may have been used to teach by Jesus, but God didn’t make any contradictions. God could have made us all perfect and clean from sin, but He gave us a chance to decide for ourselves, and we blew it. but, Jesus came and changed that. “He became sin, so that we would be free from sin.” He endured the Cross, scorning its (and our) shame, so that we may no longer be slaves to sin, but free to Christ. We have all been offered A Second Chance. the question lies with man-will you accept a second chance, or live hopelessly, anticipating the Fire of Hell you will be sentenced to if you don’t accept Christ? it’s either this, or you need to be able to show God that you’re a perfect person, blameless and pure from sin. good luck with that.

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Luke

April 27th, 2009 at 06:30

“We have all been offered A Second Chance. the question lies with man-will you accept a second chance, or live hopelessly, anticipating the Fire of Hell you will be sentenced to if you don’t accept Christ?”

When the bribe of heaven fails, the threat of hell soon follows.

Thank you, Bryan for summing up why these quotes exist.

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Matt

April 29th, 2009 at 23:22

Bryan you have got to be kidding me. In many cases, Atheists are the oens that have read the bible the most, that are the most familiar with it. and this is exactly why they reject it, because it is complete non sense. How do you know that “your god” is real? why is he “yours”? this is why religion is dangerous, b/c people like you just “know” he (apparently the omniscient creator of the universe is male) real. does he talk to you in your sleep or appear in your dreams? go ahead and write your high school research paper and call all of these prolific men and women idiots, im sure you are a credible source of information.
religion humiliates the soul and dominates the mind. youre telling me that when i was born i was automatically a filthy creature? why would anyone believe that bullshit? and you are infact wrong, there is one sin that you can’t repent for: “denying the holy spirit.” and since the holy spirit is omniscient, it can see our actions, hear our thoughts, and even know what we are thinking about doing. so if we begin to question god we are immediately damned to hell. this is one of the many tools built into religion to keep peopel from thinking.
the very argument that there is a personal god is the most arrogant argument in history. simply look at the size of the universe, the billions of galaxies, and the fact that the universe is expanding. the earth has only existed for a tiny blip in time, and humans even less. how arrogant to think there is an invisible man in the sky listening to every little person murmuring to him at once.
Christians don’t want “to help us.” they want to judge and divide and control. i have great hope and reason to live: my family, my friends, and every single person in the world. their religion doesnt matter at all, what we have in common isnt our beliefs but our humaninty. that is more beautiful than forcefully thrusting your holy book on others and using it to divide and ostracize.
oh and by the way, don’t use quotes from the bible to argue the existence of god, thats the worst way you can possibly argue it. and also dont use statements like the one i mentioned at the beginning on how you “know he is there.” all that does is reveal that you have no substantiated evidence whatsoever, and shows that all faith is is delusion and wishful thinking.

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Mike

April 30th, 2009 at 00:05

Does anyone else find it odd that Christians spend their time reading 101 Atheist Quotes, then proceed to argue about it?

I personally have learned that arguing with a Christian is less fruitful than arguing with a wall, because you can’t get in trouble if you punch the wall.

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Matt

April 30th, 2009 at 17:54

haha thats true. why the hell are there christians in here to begin with? i just noticed that picture btw, “ghostbusters”, thats hilarious.

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another christian

April 30th, 2009 at 17:55

I as a christian, usually don’t get involved in this kind of discussions, i have read this post because i admire some authors quoted here like Asimov and Dumas. So i’m just to give my humble opinion:

An atheist can’t prove that God does not exists, same as a christian can’t prove everybody that God exists… Why?
an atheist can say:
“ok here is the bible here it says that God can do this and that by asking him to do it, so let’s ask him and nothing will happen, this proves God does not exists”

but as a christian i would say ;
“there’s a lot of things that need to be accomplished for that to happen, and if you would follow all of the prerequsites to have what you ask to God done, you would simply become a believer, so there is a deadlock here”
so this discussion won’t end, until someone dies and see for himself that his believings were right or wrong, so don’t worry the day will come for sure and everybody will have an answer.

personally, I’ve lived a happy christian life believing in a being much more intelligent, kind, organized being that made me and cares about me, this definetly had made my hard days easier and easy days greater.

just my opinion, i really enjoy this blog, keep it up.

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Matt

May 1st, 2009 at 14:10

Just because something makes you feel more important, or the thought of some celestial being that created the universe cares about you, doesnt make it real. this is the same god that sees to the daily destruction of stars and galaxies and to the expanding universe. why would he give a damn about a person on earth? it is very emotionally satisfying to believe in santa clause as a kid that gives presents to every little kid on earth out of the goodness of his heart, but this isnt true. like one of these quotes put it, “the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.” why dont you believe in santa clause anymore, or the flying spaghetti monster? you cannot disprove it, but why dont you believe in them? because you were born into a christian family and your society has indoctrinated you into believing that a man that lived 2000 years ago is the son of god and he died for you. people die for all of us everyday but we dont consider them the son of god. people perform “miracles” like healing the sick and curing the blind every day, but its only in the context of 2000 years ago do we actually beleive them to be true.
that is the most irrational, ignorant conclusion you can draw from any argument: that the fact that you cannot disprove something means it must the the supernatural fairy tale. this is called an informal fallacy and even has its own specfic genre: begging the question. b/c our world is so complex people assume there must be a supernatural, omniscient creator. this is just reasoning in a circle. how do you know that the only way this complexity could have come about is through a creator? if you are willing to make this conclusion then you have the burden of proof to explain this conclusion. but why pretend to know something you clearly dont? why not leave it to the progress of mankind and let us continually try to understand rather than constantly referring to a book written by men (only men) 2000 years ago when a shovel was considered technology. if you want to talk about faith, well i would rather put my faith in future generations and the future of mankind rather than tradtion and superstition.
you have to honestly ask yourself, if there were conclusive evidence that there ws no personal god, would you continue to believe?

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another christian

May 6th, 2009 at 17:21

hi!, it does not makes me feel more important but the opposite, now i know everything is about god and not about us. and you stated it right: a god who created universe and programmed and sees destruction of stars and galaxies cares about us, awsome! isn’t he?
believing in god does not make him real nor not believing will make him unreal, even if you don’t like it, science states it clearly that if you want to bring down a theory, hypothesis or you are creating a new one there has to be empirically documented evidence of that. what if i don’t believe that you exist? would you be imaginary?. what evidence do you have about george washington’s existence, why do you believe he existed? for what he said? what he wrote? what others wrote about him?, in your own concept george washington does not exists.
i was not borned into a christian family, i went through a few religions before realizing that religions are not god, i believe in god but i’m not part of a cult or religion.
i don’t understand why so many people proclaim themselves proud and fervent atheists and in favor of science but they do nothing to prove god does not exists. I respect only atheist phrases and hypothesis that come from people who’s entire life is dedicated to something trascendent, like einstein or hawking because they had dedicated their lives to something, it is easy to turn on tv on nat geo and say “god does not exists” and keep zapping, this is ok if you don’t care, but if you do, i think you better start reading more.
as a christian i dedicate my life to learn and know what i believe, even the original languages of what i read and not just the bible, i’m not an innocent sheep who follows the rest, i question every piece of information regarding my beliefs because there is nothing more important to me that know god. is being an atheist so important to you?

last, i answer your last question
if there were conclusive (scientific proof) evidence that there is no god i think that would be a high level mathematical or physics theorem or maybe a complex machine using a complex algorithm. if the evidence would be something i can understand and prove, with all the pain in my heart i would not believe anymore, but if this theory/machine/software or whatever evidence is not easily enough for me to understand i would have to believe in the guy who made it and that would lead us back to faith, to accept something you don’t understand at all.

i believe because i found him real.

cheers!

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Matt

May 7th, 2009 at 00:54

That is the height of arrogance if you believe that the same being that tends to the daily destruction of much of the universe and matter into black holes, cares about the thoughts or actions of a human on earth. It is intellectually dishonest to refute that point with “awesome isn’t he!” yes, and it would also be great if I convinced myself that there would be a million dollars in my checking account tomorrow. What makes him unreal is the lack of evidence (there is NONE) to support the existence, not just the fact that I don’t believe. I am not CHOOSING not to believe, I am just not convinced to believe.
I am not well versed in philosophy or epistemology (yet) as I am just a freshman in college, so my response isn’t going to cite any of that. However, there are numerous, substantiated, corroborated accounts of the life and actions of George Washington. His actions have been corroborated and so have the consequences, not just by people in this country but all over the world.
Like so many others have said, the burden of proof no more lays on me to prove that the biblical god doesn’t exist than it does to prove that there isn’t a tea pot orbiting mercury. The best way we have to acquire knowledge about the state of the universe is through a dispassionate search for the observable, facts, rather than beginning with a highly emotional, unsubstantiated belief about the state of the universe, and then trying to reconcile the observations and discoveries with those beliefs by using phrases like “god works in mysterious ways” or “he is merciful and just” or whatever flexible phrasing they can use to somehow suggest the compatibility when the logical person can see that this is not the case. It is not the goal of science to disprove god. That is an ignorant statement. However religion makes claims that clearly trespass on the grounds of science. It is the goal of science to objectively seek an understanding of how and why things are through empirical analysis by using whatever grounds of knowledge have been established before it (and also even questioning those), as opposed to resorting to supernatural claims of certainty.
And if you “don’t care” it is easy to turn to books from the bronze age that advocate a dogma of ignorance that is constantly seeking to profess its compatibility with modernity but has constantly seen many of its points disproven. It would be very easy to just stop thinking and resort to some historical literature. “as a Christian I dedicate my life to learn and know what I believe” – to “learn and know” what you believe. This just shows that you already have the end made up in your mind and are cherry picking whatever you possibly can to substantiate this belief from reality.
Being an atheist isn’t “so important to be.” what is important to me is rational inquiry and the use of reason and logic in dealing with our public policy and understanding of the world rather than resorting back to dead religious dogmas written my men 2000 years ago.
And your last argument: you completely made up your own situation and then your own conclusion to that situation in order to show that everything is a matter of faith. I think that a possible piece of evidence that could be incredibly devastating to faith (correct me if imp wrong b/c I’m curious) would be if we find conclusive evidence that there is no immaterial soul and that what some conceive as the “soul” is actually chemical reactions and electrical impulses. On a similar note, V.S. Ramachandran did a study about the separate hemispheres of the brain in split –brain patients and observed in patients that the right side believed in god and the other did not. Here’s the link to clip one and then you can find clip 2 on the related videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWIUa5cvjSo
Enjoy

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another christian

May 8th, 2009 at 15:05

I totally agree that the goal of science is not to disprove God. Logic, reason and science are my everyday job, God is my everyday life, I’m not against science but the opposite, but same as you I believe what i found real, and I’ve found God is more real than we are, but I won’t make this unnecessarily more complicated. we will always see the inner part of the flask, and it is cool to try to know what is outside or even inside, what is not cool is denying what is outside of the flask.
this discussion may go on and on as it has always been even before the writing of the bible..

finally, there is a coin in the air maybe there is a God, maybe there is none, at the end of the day you can’t know for sure, nobody can prove such thing scientifically speaking. it is trying to compare two things with different rules each in which none of the parts will accept the others rules.

but let’s say i lived my life as a christian, and when i die, everything is over, there is no God, no soul, no heaven, I lived my life believing a lie, so i exist no more, would be ok for me, I lived my life much better as a believer in every aspect of my life. now what if I don’t believe in God and when i die it happens that everything was true, there’s God, there is a heaven and hell, so I’m dead and nothing ended, i continue to exist, then I will be in serious serious trouble. so as a logic and reasoning person with no fear, evaluate risk and profit and simply make a decision, just that easy.

I watched the video you sent, is very interesting, I also watched many others from this guy, these are very cool theories (talking from a scientific perspective).

I really enjoyed chatting with you, i think this is my last post here, I’ll just read your last one.

thanks Matt, cheers

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Matt

May 8th, 2009 at 17:17

I’m not sure what you mean about denying what is outside the flask? what isn’t cool is always resorting to some mystical, superntaural creator every time we are confronted with something that we do not know yet. the idea of god seems to be more of a comfort blanket to people. Imagine if the idea of a god never came into being. Imagine that all of scientific history is the same, only the omission of “god” from the history of humanity. Then take all of the scientific discoveries and achievements; all the knowledge we have gained about our world and the universe. Would all of this information even suggest the existence of a supreme, omnipotent, omnipresent being? Would this idea of god develop AFTER all of these discoveries? It isn’t a coincidence that the idea of a “god” was formed BEFORE we had any knowledge whatsoever about the state of the universe and of our being. If we didn’t already have this presupposition of god, at this point in time with the knowledge that we do have it would not in any way suggest a designer. The idea wouldn’t even enter our heads. What we would be thinking is that we have a long way to go to truly understand everything because we cannot even conceive of the amount of information there is out there. We wouldn’t be looking at a black hole, mercilessly sucking in matter and annihilating galaxies and concluding that the designer of the universe must be seeing to it that this galaxy be destroyed. We wouldn’t be looking at the Andromeda galaxy on its crash course to the Milky Way and conclude there is some omnipotent, intellectual being that we must have pissed off. After discovering the life cycle of our Sun and its inevitable transition into a Red giant which would turn our planet into a crisp, we wouldn’t derive the conclusion that this was under the supervision of some god.
It was an archaic method (an unscientific method) to explain our existence, but just like any ancient method of explanation it should have been thrown to the scrap heap when we developed a new method of attaining knowledge and information. For many others reason it wasn’t.
the question of god’s existence isn’t a simple coin flip with a 50% chance of him existing and vice versa considering there is no evidence or anythign to imply his existence except the tradition of belief.
i do not have a problem whatsoever with someone’s belief being a benign force in their life. however i do have a problem when it is their justification for killing someone or taking away groups of peoples’ rights. sam harris, in his book the end of faith, goes into great detail about the threat that religious moderation poses in our society. moderates give cover to religious extremists b/c once something is deemed “faith” then apparently we are required to respect it, when in actulity we do not repsect eachothers beliefs. like if i said i belief that elvis’ spirit was still among us, i would immediately pay the price. a religion that believes in martyrdom and 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven that has accessto nuclear weapons doesnt mix well with a religion that believes the end of the world will be a glorious return of jesus. your beliefs, your neighbor’s beliefs, they affect all of us.
your last point: i dont think a perfect god would give us the ability to think and reason and apply logic and then punish us for using them. why would anyone be tortured for eternity for pursuing the truth. ” sorry god, there just wasn’t enough evidence” i think would suffice, considering there isn’t. if he is omnipotent i think he could see our real thoughts and your arrogant to think you can fool god by just SAYING you believe so you can go to heaven. if he did create everything, he created me. he created me a skeptical person, not readily or blindly believing something unless there was good evidence.
i could go on and on, but just the basic idea that there is some omnipotent omnipresent entity with intellect seems to be a logical fallacy. why create anything at all? why not bask in your perfection? thats kind of underachieving if your great feat is creation of a race of tiny, powerless humans on an infinitesimally small pixel of the universe. wouldnt you consider that immoral to simpkly create a species so that they can just worship you, and if they dont then you torture them for all of eternity (whatever that means)? seems mroe liek a tyrant to me. i would rather not even exist that live in a world of utter, natural submission upon birth with the threat of that kind of fate awaiting me. just dont even create me in the first place.

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Anass

May 12th, 2009 at 15:56

”I strongly urge you to accept your mortality, do not let your fear of inevitable death make you waste your own mortal life persueing fantasms and delusions.”

-Thunderf00t

Brilliant really.

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OweMyGod

May 14th, 2009 at 13:56

All formal dogmatic religions are fallacious and shall never be accepted by any self-respecting person as final. — by Hapathia.

Hapathia, who lived in ancient Alexandria, was the first female philosopher, mathematician, extremely beautiful, daughter of the Great Theon,… yet, she was stripped naked by Peter, cut into pieces with clam shells and broken tiles, and then torn apart aline and burned to death by a christian mob…

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OweMyGod

May 14th, 2009 at 13:57

Typo: Hapathia was torn apart alive (not aline as above).

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OweMyGod

May 14th, 2009 at 14:01

Religious people always assume we all want to go to heaven. I told them, hell no! I do not want to party with my boss 24/7 and being monitored by him. I want to stay in this world, if not, hell is my second choice because I have the freedom to swear to anyone and have my privacy :)

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Matt

May 14th, 2009 at 21:19

Ditto. Does anyone have any good book recommendations other than the two by sam harris, the god delusion by richard dawkins, or “god is not great” by christopher hitchens? (i’ve already read those so i’m looking for something else). Oh, and does anyone have a link to the video of the debate between William Lane Craig and Christopher Hitchens? I’m sure Hitchens destroyed him b/c Craig is mentally handicapped. whenever i watch him i get absolutely furious; the worst debater in history. Thanks

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nick

May 23rd, 2009 at 00:57

@matt

try atheist bible by joan konner

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JK

May 27th, 2009 at 12:14

I love it how when the logistical beauty of the atheists argument tears ones “justification” for a god, and then the reply is never to be seen. That shows a lack of initiative in itself, that is praised and credited in the religious community, does it not?

And as for ANYONE commenting on this, do not ever try to convince anyone they are wrong in any way, because more often than not, it just justifies their righteousness to themselves.

In other words, you can’t convince someone who has faith to disbelieve, yet contrarily, if I were presented with unrefutable evidence for a God, I would believe.

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Bimal

June 4th, 2009 at 07:40

Excellent!

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Dean

June 5th, 2009 at 18:16

Atheists and believers alike I must tell you. You are both half right and half wrong. Atheists I see that our logic can very easily show that it is most likely there is no God. Yet you cannot say without a doubt that He does not exist. Believers, I agree that many records have been kept and it is hard to believe that so many people could all be mistaken, yet you also have no hard facts to back you up. I urge you all to stand back and look at the big picture. With or without religion, we have all been equiped with the necessary intellect to know what is right and wrong. We all know it feels good and right to laugh to love and to enjoy our friends and family. If you are religious, Fine. If you are Athiest Fine. But do what you do in the name of man and in the name of your heart, not because a book tells you to. If we live our lives in a loving moral understanding manner, and there is no heaven, at least we have lived a great and fullfilling life. If we live this way and there is a God, he will see all your great achievements and welcome you with open arms. So I say don’t worry about whether he exists or not. Worry about your friends and family and worry about how you will make the world a better place.

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TheAnswerIs42

June 6th, 2009 at 07:04

Haha…. these replies are funneh!

Ahem… A demonstration of faith:

I really really really really believe Jesus is actually a homosexual himself, and wants to be really unique and special so that all his friends think he is awesome, and so he commissioned a book, aptly named, the BUYble, to reinforce this notion thus condemning homosexuals to ages of discrimination.

And because I have faith, and this idea is just too much to comprehend, it must be true! And God must be true, and Jesus is indeed awesome to his friends, and athiests are all smelly dog liar fools.

Woot! My faith skills are LENGENDARY!

Peace out mankind :)

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Phil E. Drifter

June 6th, 2009 at 07:52

There is no god. Get over it.

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trees104

June 7th, 2009 at 14:56

PAVEEN. no i dont. i wasn’t there. Were you?

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Matt

June 7th, 2009 at 22:43

Dean: You’re an atheist humanist judging by what you just said. try telling everything u just said to somehow who has built up their whole life around the notion that there is an invisible man in the sky listening to our thoughts and around all of these specific details laid out in the bible/koran etc. what someone believes about the afterlife has a profound effect, immeasurable really, on what they belief/ act in this life.

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Dean

June 8th, 2009 at 20:33

Yes I realize this I was just trying to calm everyone down and stop the nasty comments while giving atheists and sensible christains something to think about

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I Believe in Me

June 11th, 2009 at 20:38

Almost a year since (August 28, 2008) this “pensive” guy wrote he had an answer for every one of the quotes…and nothing yet…should I wait for christ to come for at least one, only one “christian” answer to any quote?

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Ebony

June 11th, 2009 at 23:11

I love this site! I do have some authors for a few of your atheist quotes. I’ll post 1 for now.

“Religion has caused more misery to all of mankind in every
stage of human history than any other single idea.”
[Madelyn O'Hair]

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Paul

June 15th, 2009 at 17:26

How( in god’s name) did you manage to forget Carl Sagan?

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rhl

June 16th, 2009 at 00:46

Einstein didn’t believe in god
he wasnt a fool

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Proud Muslim g

June 17th, 2009 at 07:02

How can u NOT believe in GOD?????

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Proud Muslim girl

June 17th, 2009 at 07:03

How can u NOT believe in GOD?????
read the quran once. just once. or watch dr. ZAKIR NAIK’s lecture(u can find the on youtube 2). i hope u get on the right path.

May GOD set u alll on the right path….

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Proud Muslim girl

June 17th, 2009 at 07:05

rhl, einsten said” science without religion is lame. religion without science is useless.”
he was a man of science an if he didnt believe in god(yea right) he is calling himself lame and uselesss.

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ianam

June 17th, 2009 at 17:04

“I have read every one of these quotes and I have an answer for every one.”

No doubt you have some stupid “answer” to all of them, but no one cares.

“I am a Christian.”

Poor you.

“The persons who said these things assumed that they knew what all Christians and Christian denominations believe.”

Bzzzt! Wrong!

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ianam

June 17th, 2009 at 17:07

“Atheists and believers alike I must tell you. You are both half right and half wrong.”

You’re half right.

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ianam

June 17th, 2009 at 17:14

“You put faith in a seat belt, not knowning if it will break, you put faith roads that should not crumble”

No, moron, I have a fact-based expectation about the likelihood that seat belts will break and that roads will crumble; faith is not required.

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ianam

June 17th, 2009 at 17:16

“That’s why I had to mention crimes in the name of atheism. And you dismissed even the idea that Stalin’s crimes had something to do with atheism. What did you use to support your argument? Only capitalization…”

The burden is on you to show they did. And stop lying and calling yourself an atheist.

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ianam

June 17th, 2009 at 17:20

“Atheism was an integral part of communism.”

So was breathing, but Stalin didn’t lead in the name of breathing.

“Stalin’s Russia was build on this ideology and everything was done in its name.”

That is a lie, like you calling yourself an atheist, and like the rest of the claptrap that is religion. Predictably, a lot of lying scum come to websites like this and lie their asses off. Regardless of whether there is a God, his believers are assholes.

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ianam

June 17th, 2009 at 17:26

“Some (not all) of the religious people posting here only add to the argument that faith is linked to a lack of intelligence. Some Dude proves this point very well.”

Indeed. I know a number of people who became atheists after reading the comments of stupid people on blogs, especially stupid Christians.

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Animal

June 18th, 2009 at 18:53

“BUT JUST BY CALLING YOURSELF ATHEIST IS THE FIRST & FOREMOST THIMG YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING IS THE EXISTANCE OF GOD ITSELF OTHERWISE IF YOU REALLY ARE AN ATHEIST THEN THERE IS NO GOD THEREFORE THERE IS NOTHING CALLED AS AN ATHEIST !! is there ???

ANY ANSWERES ??”

Theism: With god. Atheism: Without god.
Atheism is not acknowledgement of god’s existence. It’s denial or disbelief of it. Also, what’s with all the caps? You don’t have to yell.

I am an atheist because I do not BELIEVE god exists, not because I KNOW he doesn’t. If this makes me a weak atheist, that makes sense, given that I just recently “converted” (or is it “de-converted”?), and I’m not as “confident” in my convictions as others, but I’ve seen nothing yet to make me change my mind.
I don’t hate christians. I know quite a few who are very likable. A good friend of mine is christian. I don’t hate god (I can’t hate what I don’t believe in).
Stop arguing. You’re only proving your own intolerance.

And one more thing, where does it state that these quotes are meant to disprove god? They’re just quotes. They no more disprove god than theistic quotes prove god.

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mattispantone

June 22nd, 2009 at 09:26

A quick note on human perception of good and bad –

A Chinese story which is supposed to be a very, very ancient story.

There was a wise farmer who had a son and a small plot of land, and they had a horse. The son worked the horse on the field – made some money that was enough for their living.

One day the horse ran away so the neighbours came and said what terrible bad luck. So the farmer said maybe.

The next day the horse came back and brought four wild horses. The neighbours came and said what good luck. Because first you had one horse, now you have five horses. The farmer said maybe.

The third day the son tried to ride one of the wild horses and he fell and broke his leg. The neighbours came again and said what bad luck. The farmer said maybe.

The next day the government servants came to take hold of strong farmers for the army. But this boy had a broken leg so they left him.
Again this was good luck.

So you can take this story on for 365 days. You see happiness is unhappiness. That is what I’m saying. Life as we know it is based on opposites. Sometimes happy, sometimes unhappy, sometimes neither. And that is what life is all about.

Who among us know with any certainty whether by thought or writ anything more than what your senses tell you. Even then we can be deceived. It is known that some chemicals permit the brain to process volumes more information than we would normally process and it is apparently blissful. To lose all sense of time, space and reality. I suppose like it would be before you were born and after you die.

These chemicals break down of mental filters our brains put on reality. Is it those filters on existance that make us require faith? Religion could possibly be a biproduct of mental filtering. Possible? Allowing us to deal with a universe which comes with no instruction. Does atheism allow us to see more, or does religion?

We tell our children to imagine all sorts of wonderful imaginative things. Be innocent and vibrant. Ask questions only a child would ask. But when we get older we must be skeptical, analytical and not permit ourselves to view the world as we choose.

When did we get so old?

When did we decide we had time to argue about such things?

Life may be short, but it’s the longest thing any of us will ever do.

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Another Atheist

June 25th, 2009 at 03:21

Man this is a long arguement

I am an atheist but really it doesn’t matter to me whether he exists or not
I’d rather spend my Sundays on the beach than on my knees and if you haven’t noticed, Einstein may be christian but many founding fathers and Isaac Newton were Atheists

P.S. “In heaven all the interesting people are missing”

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Hellas

June 26th, 2009 at 05:46

I am an Atheist too. After reading all this I am convinced more then ever. Facts are things that can not be denied.

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TorontoJoe

June 26th, 2009 at 15:50

I am a devout atheist however, if I did believe that “god” existed I think that I would loathe him for the way in he’s behaved. If you are a person of faith I would recommend doing what Proud Muslim girl suggested and read the quran, bible or torah (as most people of faith have not) and decide for yourself weather you like this “god” character.

Bottom line – I don’t even care if there is a god.

Still don’t hate me enough to stop reading?

I often hear the argument that without “god”, then what moral guide does one have not to commit murder, steal etc, etc…

I challenge anyone to do a simple Google search. (or even some real research) and have a look at history’s leading serial killers, mass murderers, rapists, war lords…you name the crime. You will be hard pressed to find an atheist’s name attached to such acts.

So why is it then that people of faith who have a moral guide to goodness behave in such a way, while heathens like myself are gentle, respectful pacifists. Like I said above. If there was a god,(and there is not) I’m not on his team.

Peace and enlightenment to you all….And people of faith, if you see me walking down the street please don’t turn to run me down with you car…Remember – “Thou Shall Not Kill”.

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Another Atheist

June 26th, 2009 at 20:52

I just think Atheists have a respect for the world that christians will never have because they believe that all they have to do is make it through life and then they go to heaven while an atheists realizes that this is all we got and we gotta make the best of it.

another quote I liked that wasn’t on here
“They crossed his legs to save a nail”

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Fatguy992

June 27th, 2009 at 02:07

I Really Cant Stand how religion affects everything we do in this world. Anyone Agree With Me?

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daniel

June 27th, 2009 at 04:52

well in the end, it all doesnt matter until you die,really.nothing can be proven at all.its basically faith and thats it.losing faith is atheism.having it means you are a christian or whatever, muslim, catholic, etc. lets just end it with,to each his own right??

oh and by the way stalin killed millions because of opposition not religion. read animal farm.it was all avarice.

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TorontoJoe

June 27th, 2009 at 16:32

Stalin…Yes this was his “reason” for killing….Honestly I’m not sure if he believed in god either….I’ll have to look in to this….

I don’t suggest that many of the murderous superstars killer “because” of religion, but rather that they tended to be people who believed in god but still behaved in such a way. Further, If you look at those atheists who committed crimes against humanity, (Mao) I think they saw themselves as “god like”.

…I’m curious however….A question for those of faith – Why did god create Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin? Or give them free will?

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granny smith apple

June 27th, 2009 at 17:41

imagine 10 newborn babies. they are all innocent and all are pure.now are they going to feed themeselves? a very stupid question……of course not. they are all under the wing of whoever it is. when they grow up, they will take up after the person(s) who took care of them or something that altered their life quite drastically for example hitler losing his mother when a jewish doctor was the one in charge of taking care of her(true story). let me end my note with nobody is born, they are made. great leaders are made not born. tiger woods wasnt born with the skill, he made himself have the skill. eric koston wasnt born doing fakie tres off big four stairs. he worked his ass off for that ender(lakai:fully flared). lastly, the charles manson family wasnt born killing movie stars. i think things in their life profoundly affected them.

oh and he gave everyone free will because he is that amazing. we are not his slaves, and we never will be. it is all a test.if you fail you know what happens? yeah, its either you fail or dont. no c+ or b when you end life.

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TorontoJoe

June 27th, 2009 at 20:16

Interesting thought that. He gave us free will because “he is so amazing”. And for all those victims of those who choose to do evil deeds- I suppose they used their free will to decide they wanted to be stabbed, raped, gassed, shot etc? Where is their free will?

OK – So god in his greatness decided that he would give mass murderers free will and not protect those who perhaps would be the next Gandhi?

I refer to what I wrote above….Even if he did exist, I wouldn’t care for him much given the track record.

What do you think? Would you want to hang out with me (never mind worship me) if I stood by and watched someone kill those 10 babies when I was perfectly capable of helping? You’d probably want to see me burn at the stake.

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TorontoJoe

June 27th, 2009 at 20:21

Many of you may have seen this already but it sums things up very well…For those who have not…Enjoy!

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/video8.htm

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torontoblows

June 27th, 2009 at 22:36

dude, god is not a superhero , he wont come in and pick up robbers and revive the clerk he just killed. so stop thinking that he will do anything. trose people who were stabbed, gassed, etc to death will now go on to their promised land, so really its all good.in the end, theyll sit comfortably in heaven or whatever they believed in while the killer, if he hasnt repented, will burn in hell. well, that sounds pretty nice to me. this life is temporary, what they believe in is forever.

oh and did you not read grannie smith apple’s comment? the murders are made not born. you dont go up to jordan and say, god im so jealous you came out of your mother with a bulls jacket. he worked his ass for that record in history. everyone is affected by something, and as for the ones being raped young and turning out to be murderers, i think god will be the judge of that.

for me, i think religion is like the stock market. what do you do when its down? youve pretty much quit all stocks. so for you, it will always be a bear market.if you adhere to something long enough, you will have faith

oh and if you are an atheist, what difference will it make if i get your nuts and grape them while i eat your left hand and then put a rat on top of your stomach and get a bucket and burn the bucket until the rat digs his way through your intestines.

i mean what difference does it make when in the end, it will be all black and you would realize that you have died. so nothing really happens. so whats the use? would you want to hang out with me then?

and no i wouldnt want you to be burned at the stake.try being a nihilist. i think its better than being an atheist.although the resemblence is uncanny

p.s. do you know what i realized, when it comes to religion, people sure can type a profusely about these things. when i looked at the comments and saw how lengthy they were, i thought i wasnt going to type that much but i ended up doing so.

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torontoblows

June 27th, 2009 at 22:38

wait, my comment is erroneous. its when you are dead, you woulnt realize that you are dead. and i meant type profusely not a profusely.

well, toronto, what do you think.

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one with a sense of humor

June 30th, 2009 at 03:52

ughhh christians are such a buzz kill. honestly these quotes were witty, funny, and more or less accurate. i believe in God and i still enjoyed this list.

seriously christians stop getting offended and quoting the bible (i’m sure atheists REALLY trust that book), and just appreciate the humor in some of these quotes.

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The Vich

June 30th, 2009 at 15:10

First, why are all of the Christian people coming here and reading all of these quotes? Are they looking for atheists to tell them that they’re wrong?

I think that if there was a “god” it would not be the god that everyone thinks of. Maybe it just happens to exist in our universe and not particularly care about us. Or maybe it’s on the other side of the universe.

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nas

July 1st, 2009 at 18:33

to me religion deprives people of thinking outside the box. for once why dont you people think god isnt the answer to everything? youll feel so much better

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TorontoJoe

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:34

Part 1

Thank you “one with a sense of humor”. It’s funny how this forum of “open
discussion” can get such a rise out of people. Comment’s like
“TorontoBlows” – c’mon? If nothing else you’re helping to illustrate my
point man…

You asked what I think – OK Let me address each point in order…Calmly
and respectfully.

“god is not a superhero” Yes and no. In that he was conjured up in a one
of the all time greatest works of fiction…Indeed he is. Fire, brimstone,
floods, locust….Really better than The Green Lantern (My favorite).
Perhaps more of a super villain though….given track record. Also no –
because super hero’s do not exist…(at least not in the sense we’re talking
about)

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TorontoJoe

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:35

Part 2

Those who suffer will go on to bliss in the promised land – OK – fair
enough….god exists then and chooses to allow people to suffer for however
many years then, decides to sweep them off to his promised land? Although
for some he decides to shower them with riches, power and comfort…yet they
profess faith (the right one I might add) and therefore after their life
of opulence, get to go to the promised land as well. (May I repeat, if he
were there I wouldn’t like him much). I think it’s just as easy to explain
this away by saying that “he has reasons that are mysterious” we just
don’t know what they are….indeed we don’t know…..but what we don’t know we
like to make up. Just like there was a time when we made up other gods.
(zeus, titan, venus, Poseidon, Ra, Nut, Amun, Appolo, Juno Mars, Alkuntam,
Allowat Sakima, Alowatsakima, Amala…the list can get kind of long). It’s
natural for our species to create myth about what we don’t know. We’ve
done this for a very long time. Believing in traditional modern god(s) is
no different than believing Poseidon lies somewhere in the deeps
overseeing the oceans. The loss of this belief if the gaining of something
much greater.

Murderers are made and not born – Many will disagree with this and in fact
provide physical evidence that can be measured and viewed by way of
activity in the brain that dictates various behaviors. The “granny smith
apple comment” was a “comment” based on someone belief. . In fact most
“real” clinical studies suggest that it is a combination of many factors.
If you’re interested in reading up on this I recommend the following as a
good start. Parables and proverbs are probably not the best way to guide
one’s principals.

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TorontoJoe

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:41

Referring to that comment though….Why on earth would god have ever allowed
that doctor to care for Hitler’s mother? Surely he knew the consequences

The stock market? LOL – Typically the wealthy sell they’re stock for great
some prior to it’s decline (as they are in the know) while allowing
pension funds life savings to disappear…..Yeah Madoff!

What’s the difference if you eat my left hand and have your rat devour my
intestines? Well, you will have caused great suffering in this, the only
life that I have. You will have deprived my children of a father and wife
of a husband. You will have taken me from my brothers and friends….That’s
all. Remember – “Life is short – But it’s the longest thing you’ll ever
do.

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TorontoJoe

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:41

Part 4

A nihilist? I certainly don’t believe that we are all “pointless” if this
is what you mean. There is great satisfaction in truth. I do believe that
we have a purpose and can guide ourselves towards something really great.
I also believe that we can only do this once we leave the dark ages and
begin trusting ourselves and our own real perceptions. We need to cast off
the blindfold of religion. We need to have FAITH (oh…did I use that word),
yes, faith in ourselves.

With all respect, and understanding that I too am victim of this,
everything you write is based not on any real learning or understanding.
You’ve regurgitated propaganda and rhetoric that’s been forced down your
throat. I don’t say this to insult you. Like I said, I’ve victim of this
as well….The only thing you can do is to QUESTION EVERYTHING! Take
apposing views to see if what you are being told is based in fact. You
decided that god is not a superhero in the context that you described in
order to prove to yourself what you believe is true. You conjured it up in
your head to support your belief. This is something that we do. We need to
explain what we don’t know. (ie. god comes to us) Otherwise, how did you
come to this conclusion about god?

Think of an old urban myth, any one will do. The teller of the myth will
believe what they are telling you. Indeed “this happen to a friend of
theirs”. And the more you don’t believe, the greater the conviction of the
teller. They believed it and to admit that their belief was silly, is
admitting that they were not as clever as they thought, no matter how
silly the belief. I think we’ve all come across an experience such as
this. Believing in god is no different. Admitting that it does not exist
can be crushing…But you can enjoy learning about not what you’ve been
told, but what you can discover for yourself.

In any case – if you believe I’m wrong, please pray for me and perhaps god
will see fit to show me otherwise…that is if he answers prayers…

What do you think

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TorontoJoe

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:54

Finally

P.S. Toronto is quite a nice place….We’re not all pagans who dance naked around fires with long pointed sticks.

-also sorry the link is missing but for some reason the submission wouldn’t take with it inserted

just google: “Is Aggressive Behavior Biologically or Environmentally based?”

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