21 May
Written by Point Lessbanter
One subject that I have always been interested in is the cultural impact of generations. Each generation brings different changes to the cultural landscape and leaves a lasting impact. Well… except for generation Y or “generation whine” as some cynical experts call it.
First let me define what generation Y is. Gen Y is basically includes anyone that was born after 1981. The previous generation, Gen X, is anyone that graduated high school in the 1980s. (Which puts me in this odd category because I don’t fall into either group. This allows me to criticize both without having to take sides, which is a nice bonus.)
Most of the criticisms of Gen Y are that they are distracted (always multitasking but never doing a good job), feel a sense of entitlement, they are the most marketed to generation ever (not only do they accept it, they relish in it), have chosen to date or have sex with me (which says something about their taste), and there is a gaping void when it comes to cultural contributions. I feel the first couple of points can be debated because they always seem like a typical swipe at younger generation that happens every few years. The one I want to look at is the cultural contributions because you can see some real issues there.
Music
Generation X: Grunge, Hip-hop, and Indie Rock
There really is no debate about the lasting contributions of the music of this era. Although everyone want to distance themselves from Vanilla Ice, which everyone in generation x agrees about.
Generation Y: Pop punk?
(Fall Out Boy doesn’t make me want to beat it… )
Gen Y’s music can be defined as wholly unoriginal and the band Fall Out Boy personifies it. They aren’t original enough to come up with their own video concepts; they have to adapt stuff that was created by the generation before them. Their pop music is prepackaged Disney stars that are created by a massive marketing machine. There is no real movement here, mostly co-opting the culture of the previous two generations.
Movies

Generation X: Kevin Smith, Reality Bites, Singles
Gen X had movies and filmmakers that helped define a generation. We are all lazy, mistrusting, weed smoking, coffee swilling, cynical smart asses… I have come to accept that personification. Oh and we all want to bang a young Wynonna Rider.
Generation Y: All those crappy comedy parody films
The comedies that are created for teens aren’t even original to come up with their own ideas. It is all prepackaged pop culture references jammed into 90 minutes. I’ll even give you Juno and you still just have a shit load of pop culture references and nothing that defines that generation.
Reality Television
Generation X: The Original Real World
We gave you a show that talked about race. That had Kevin Powell who is going on and running for Congress. Musicians who actually put out music and got signed by labels like Becky, Heather B, and Andre. Plus a founder of Gay Entertainment television. And who can forget Eric Neiss who brought us… um… uh… excellent aerobics shows?

Generation Y: The Hills and the Real World Hollywood
It isn’t a good sign that even Gen Y’s reality television turned out to be scripted and fake. Plus when you look at the shift generationally from the first few Real World seasons to the last few where the shows just include attention whores and people that want to be famous for being famous… Well it isn’t a good sign.

Although it did bring us the greatest episode of the Real World ever that included court, strip clubs, a guy going to rehab, threats to roommates, some of the most pointless conversation ever, and possibly cemented this cast as the one I have the most disdain for ever. So I guess I need to give them points for that.
Where does this place Gen Y? Are they just going to be known for the mash-up? Combining the cultural production of others into their own products?
Has Gen Y produced anything of value?
This is going up at humor-blogs.com
34 Responses
SandraL
May 21st, 2008 at 10:53 am
1Interesting analysis, though even as an older-model Gen-X’er (graduated highschool in ‘83), I feel the need to defend Gen Y against some of the worst criticisms. While I appreciate the humor in the post, I’d point out that in some cases here you’re confusing the “culture” manufactured for a generation with the culture created by the generation. Who created “our” movies (well, besides Kevin Smith) and TV? Mostly a lot of baby-boomers. Who creates most of the movies and TV targeted at Gen-Y? Mostly Gen-X’ers…
Music? Well, the mass-produced crap (and guess who the producers are?) is one thing, but Gen-Y has a thriving, internet-fueled indy-music scene which flies under the radar in part because it’s so diverse nobody can pin a label on it (no pun intended).
I suspect we won’t really understand the legacy of Gen-Y until they’re old enough to create the sucky environment for Gen-Z (hmm - wonder what comes after Gen-Z - Gen-AA?).
John M.
May 21st, 2008 at 11:50 am
2Next it’ll be generation ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Jesse Hattabaugh
May 21st, 2008 at 12:21 pm
3If you’re going to be off-topic, at least don’t be offensive. You just lost a subscriber or two.
Anna
May 21st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
4Deeply dumb, unfair article.
Melinda
May 21st, 2008 at 1:30 pm
5I’m a Gen-X mom to two Gen-Y teenagers and yep, undoubtedly this generation has NO culture. Oh, they think they do… but there’s no originality. Of course there isn’t - not when they believe they invented everything that already is. If they don’t remember seeing or hearing it before, it must be new. And how could they have seen or heard it before, when nothing existed before they did? Culture depends on understanding and having a sense of history but Gen-Y has none.
I will say this, though - reality TV as a hallmark of Gen-X is somewhat insulting and moronic. The Real World??? Gimme a break. The scripting of so-called “reality” TV isn’t a Gen-Y phenomenon. Anyone remember the “Real World” guy with AIDS? Case closed.
Alexis
May 21st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
6Too simple. A little bit stupid. (hum)
Javier
May 21st, 2008 at 6:25 pm
7Haha, no.
Do try to remember that a lot of television, music, and movies are produced by generation-X FOR generation-Y. Also, as a gen-Y kid, I have never listened willingly to Fallout Boy. I have never willingly seen any of the idiot parody movies. I have never subjugated myself to the torture that is The Real World.
As a serious post: it is limited and condescending.
As a humorous post: funny. But still kind of condescending. Douche-baggy even.
Also, people from your generation know how to use computers? Really?
Regardless, I think I can safely say we outclass you in that respect.
(( Not that I want to insult gen-X members, who sort of gave birth to us. And gen-X and gen-Y are dumb abbreviations. ))
Damnatu
May 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 am
8So……Generation X is someone who graduated high school in 1980. so he was born in 1960. So he should have been around 35 in 1995 when Kevin Smith started making movies…..hmmmmm….yes…. you make a good point…..
solaraddict
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 am
9“Today’s children are horrible - the end of the world is nigh!” -an inscription from ancient Egypt, ca 4500 BC.
In other words, every generation sees the following ones as good-for-nothing.
Tedel
May 22nd, 2008 at 3:04 pm
10Has Gen Y produced anything of value?
Quick answer: NO.
As an ex-teacher, I know it. This generation Y has only followed the strong stereotypes that have been imposed on them. What a pity.
They call themselves eclectic, I call them lost.
badGuitarr
May 24th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
11as dumb as it gets. im Gen Y and guess what? i went to see “a midsummer nights dream” a few weeks ago. I listen to Kings of Leon, The strokes, the vines, stuff like that. I love the simpsons, gilmore girls (im not gay) and SVU. all these things contribute to a culture that you, being the arrogant and Generationless prick that you are, couldnt understand, simply becuase you are too busy attempting to be clever. It doesnt suit you. theres beauty, there rawness, theres freaky shit that no other generattion had. ill give it to you that we have none of the CLASSINESS that Gen X or babyboomers had, but we have culture nonetheless, and to nayone whos involved in it, its the best place to be, no matter what. Its impossible not to have culture, except maybe when you are a 20 something turd who thinks hes got a brain. Get a job, and leave my generation the fuck alone.
Mike
May 25th, 2008 at 9:46 am
12As a member of Generation Y, I must say that I’m embarrassed by the views and opinions expressed by badGuitarr. With all due respect, and in my opinion, the examples of “culture” which he cited, really blow (with the exception of Shakespeare, but I think that was just his attempt to appear “intellectual”). There is much better music out there. And I would say that this is actually NOT the best place to be. In almost every way, the cultures of past generations were superior to what we have now (art, music, political activism, etc).
badGuitarr
May 26th, 2008 at 6:29 am
13I admit, what i said was stupid. I just like the culture that we do have (primitive though it is by your standards) and yeah, i have seen the ballet version of a midsummer nights dream (pucks dancing was awesome, played by a chinese guy). Admittedly, past generations have had geniuses like Karl Marx, Che Guevara, Michael Dransfield etc. how old are you though? im only 14, so to me, and to a lot of the people i hang out with (and yes, i am in gifted and talented programs so it could be said im smart. someones arrogant) who are actually usually pretty intelligent, find that this generation is a fantastic time and place to exist in. So admittedly, what i said was pretty stupid, but i think that to the younger people of this generation, it represents a hope for the future that every generation has had. babyboomers had the american dream and rocknroll, Gen X had the internet. and yeah, im out of steam. this is a stupid post for a stupid blog. but Gen Y has Banksy, thus, the Generation is saved.
Sarah
May 27th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
14Written for humor, this is prety funny. I am technically a Gen-Y girl, and I feel almost a need to defend my generation. But why does there have to be a battle about the generations? Both Gen Y and Gen X have good points and flaws. I don’t think that the culture /produced/ by a generation is nearly as important as what culture individuals focus on and take in.
Yeah, I watch some of the, quite frankly, shitty reality TV out there. And I can say with complete honesty, some of our music is crap. But should my entire generation be judged for that? I personally don’t think so, but hey, that could just be me.
Love the post still, as humor, though. Because looking at it like this, we do have pretty bad culture produced in this generation.
Sarah
May 27th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
15Oh, and I apologize for the language (however brief). I don’t know if that’s allowed on this site or not.
Bujold
May 29th, 2008 at 9:20 am
16This comment is going to be pretty much like most of the ones already on there, but saying generation Y has no culture because of those examples is like saying afro-american cuisine is bad because you hate fried chicken; It’s just a stereotype, there’s a lot more deep inside. For every Epic Movie, you’ve got a Pan’s Labyrinth. Speaking of which, parody movies became popular in the 80’s, but at least they were good back then. (Airplane, anyone? Or maybe Police Squad?)
I’m pretty sure you could make a “Generation X has no culture” article too if you looked hard enough for bad examples.
@solaraddict: A greek philosopher once said something similar too.
The Faceless Generation « Millenial’s Weblog
June 10th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
17[...] are criticized for a lack of culture , a lack of values (secular), and an unwarranted feeling of [...]
kalabs
June 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
18THIS IS SUCH AN UNFAIR ARTICLE >_<
MissLena
June 17th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
19Give the Gen Y-ers time. I can remember when people were saying Gen X-ers were useless, good for nothing, lazy twerps. Give the kids a break! They’ll prove themselves yet.
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June 20th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
20I agree with kalabs. This is such an unfair article. not to mention lame as piss and poop combined.
John M.
June 24th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
21Funny how all the Gen-Y peeps are freaking out considering that it’s the single most ageist generation I’ve ever encountered. Ageism sucks as bad as racism and your generation leads the pack in suck.
Alex
July 1st, 2008 at 12:49 am
22Bujold up there said: «For every Epic Movie, you’ve got a Pan’s Labyrinth.»
Very true.
The fact of the matter is that since nowadays virtually anybody wealthy enough can create music, movies, novels and any other form of culture by their own means and have it seen by a very broad audience (aka. the internet via youtube, myspace and such), you won’t be able to resume any generation that lives now or after by a selected more popular cultural statements. If there is a thing that defines this generation (something new), it’s probably the possibility of cultural involvement by anybody. (Which unfortunately leads to soulja boys but also to a very wide and expanding independent scene.)
Also, bands like Arcade Fire, the white stripes, radiohead and Outkast have got high critical acclaim while managing to be commercially successful. Movies like Pan’s labyrinth as mentioned earlier, tv series like lost.
You’ve just scratched the surface, kid.
Eimear
July 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am
23Ok. I’m 14.
Yes, music nowadays is crap. yes, comedy parodies are rubbish.
But DON’T be so patronizing as to label us all!
I listen to music from the 60s and 70s… The Beatles, The Mamas and The Papas, Jefferson Airplane, The Who, etc etc….
So we’re not all mindless, dumb people.
I mean, you could stereotype any generation….
fez
August 6th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
24oh my word you are a loser. Have anything better to do with your time? I suppose not since you’ve nothing to contribute other than an ignorant ‘whine’ about other people.
lostinspace
August 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
25I m a gen Y young adult, and even being into mostly the “counterculture” of my generation I want to defend it though.. ;p
I think that you’re mostly right.. we have no culture.. and what we do is mostly mimic older generations or what we see in television… but contrarily to gen X, or mostly even older generations we do not stuck to the contemporary. We like to explore older generations.. we might mimic gen x’s punks or goths or even hippies and norms of the 60’s 70’s and 80’s but its just because we want to learn more about them because some of their values may fit us.. we live in diversity and we are more free and openminded than you! Also…. Why pop punk???? We have some gen Y genres that r not yet mainstream:
Gen Y MUSIC: SYMPHONIC METAL, GOTHIC METAL, FUTUREPOP, and pop punk ;p
Gen Y MOVIES: MirrorMask, The matrix, V for Vendetta ……
to conclude I think there is not a generation Y… I think that we are so diverse that u can not define a special characteristic of our generation!
AJ
August 18th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
26I am a “GEN Y-er” and to be honest most of the people that fall into this catagory are no older than about age 28. They have yet to become the Corprate heads and producers of the coming age. We are still stuck on what Gen X-ers think and see the public wants!! When Gen Y comes of an age to truly “rule the world” then you will what we really add to the culture!
Randy
September 11th, 2008 at 10:38 am
27Here’s the sad truth, which is why Gen Y should be left alone to their own vices, when the average kids, born in ‘85 is in his prime, mid-forties, much of the great jobs will be in east Asia. True, Gen X has been dealing with offshoring, during this decade, but this is completely something else. This is a loss of American wealth, as a society. Unfortunately, Gen Y will be experiencing it when much of Gen X will be kicking back and enjoying some of the fruits of their labor. So please, go easy on ‘em because really, they have little to look forward to.
Alfy
September 14th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
28I agree with Randy we the, gerneration Y, have very littel or nothing to look foward to. I turn on my television but immediately turn it off in disgust, I see in my future a country that has ignored its problems for years and is being run by self indulgent Gen Xer’s and Y’s. You may think that were whiners, but the truth is were being constanly kicked in the face by a media that is force feeding us a supposed of our generation (I.E. the Johnas Brothers, Britney Spears ect.) If one wants to find our cultures it is not on MTV or in the marketing rooms of businesses, it is being made in the basements and garages of angry teenagers like myself. Myspace is not our generation but a means for our generation. Our culture is created by us and for us. And if the technology is out there for us to get our ideals and music acrossed to kids like us. Damn right were going to use it!
Annie
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
29You are kind of an idiot. It takes a quite a bit of effort to overlook the culture of Gen Y and all it does for you is make you look ignorant, old, and crotchety.
I’m early Y and I can tell you I’ve never really listened to Fall Out Boy. The majority of people my age don’t. Maybe if you pulled your self-righteous head out of your ass every once and a while you’d notice that the music industry is in big trouble because older Y-ers don’t want to pay huge money for shitty and overly commercialized music anymore. Independent “don’t tell me what to do” music is quickly becoming the mainstream.
As for movies, I’ve never seen one of those crappy parody films. Most of us also die a little inside every time we see a preview for one of them. And guess what — they’re marketed for single male idiots with a bro Peter Pan complex from both Gen X and Gen Y. Once again, indie films are growing in popularity, because we realize what is being marketed to us really sucks.
Reality TV shows tend to be pretty bad; I’ll give you that. But before you claim the first few seasons of the The Real World all to yourself and act as if you’re so superior, keep in mind that we early Y-ers grew up watching it too. The boom of reality television is just genre abuse by the TV industry who is hoping to make a buck off of it. The same thing happened in the nineties; there was an explosion of stale and cheesy sitcoms until money couldn’t be made off of them anymore.
Keep in mind a lot of the worst parts of Gen Y culture is owned by the youngest Y-ers. Yes, it’s shitty, but c’mon, they’re adolescents and they’ll grow out of it. Also keep in mind that we’ve been bombarded with endless marketing since infancy (more so than any other generation could imagine)…we didn’t ask for the “if your dad doesn’t take you to McDonalds it means he doesn’t love you” commercials when we were three. So please, lay off the unfounded Gen Y criticisms. It’s unoriginal.
me
October 9th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
30The article’s original website was PointlessBanter, but I will indulge this with a comment nonetheless.
I think that gen-Y are the jaded and numb legions that gen-X could only dream of becoming. They have been socially engineered to be “accepting” and “non-judgmental” while at the same time they have a natural sort of resiliency about them that gen-X has had to “moxy.” Whereas baby boomers punched people in the face and gen-X went around giving noogies, gen-Y people will go around just randomly groping their friends and whatnot with a total sense of non-chalance. Whereas baby boomers made sexual desire into a performance number that completely flew over your head without a strong imagination (Grease, West Side Story) and gen-X was genuinely obsessed with it’s raw physical expression (eg: American Pie, Dirty Dancing), gen-Y sees it as like water off a duck’s back (eg: American Beauty, Y Tu Mama Tambien). While STD rates are rising, the number of proclaimed virgins is also on the rise.
Baby boomers took drugs either for spiritual awareness or to “party.” Gen-X’ers took drugs either as performance enhancement or as an escape. Gen-Y’ers are taking drugs simply because they can — after all they are so widely available, and many gen-y’ers are being forced to take psycho-tropic drugs when they are very young. Drug use among young Hollywood also seems to make the tabloid headlines. Young gen-Y’ers may feel that they are missing out on the fun and so experiment. However, gen-Y’ers will find it much more difficult to kick the habit than gen-X’ers.
Gen-Y has “no culture” because their lives have been over-sanitized and hospital-cornered by gen-X, and baby boomers still can’t seem to let go of the pop-culture torch (VH1, re-hashes of comic book heroes). In addition, gen-Y’s impetus towards collectivism contributes to their confusion about individual values, and the concepts of personal rights and responsibilities. Whereas gen-X was the Radio Shack/MS-DOS/Linux “I can do it” generation, gen-Y seems more like the MySpace/Ajax/Knoppix “let’s make friends with someone who can help us” generation.
Gen-Y had Mortal Kombat, Dead or Alive and Grand Theft Auto. What did gen-X have? Kung Fu Master, Super Mario Bros. and Outrun ! Baby Boomers at least had Death Race.
Whereas baby boomers had hand-to-hand warriors (Muhammad Ali, Bruce Lee, Gunsmoke, Magnum PI, Captain Kirk, Tom and Jerry), gen-X had precise, technological warriors (Mike Tyson, Zerocool from Hackers, Freddy and Jason, Street Fighter II, Gundam), gen-Y has metaphysical, psycho-kinetic warriors (Harry Potter, Neo from the Matrix, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Napoleon Dynamite)
As for music, baby boomers had disco, Led Zepplin and the Cold Crush Brothers. Gen-X’ers created “alternative” forms of these as house/techno music, Nirvana and “conscious rap” which became gangsta rap and then “bling-bling.” Gen-Y, apparently, is more widely-encompassing, with the genres seeming to blur and meld in order to attract the largest possible audiences with artists like Rihanna, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Lil’ Wayne. Even older music industry veterans have come out of retirement to produce new work which sounds uncharacteristically mild and condescending.
One thing I notice is that the cultural tolerance of gen-X (seeks justice, problem-solving and open dialog) is not shared by the either baby boomers (selfish, competitive and authoritative/obsequiate) or gen-Y (abhors preferrential treatment as well as signs of weakness, seeks to assimilate outsiders)
Jeremy Bentham's Pickled Cock
October 27th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
31As someone born in 1988, but who officially seceded from Gen-Y four years ago (Myspace put me over the edge) I think I have a rather unique perspective.
Gen-Y’s cultural mainstream is shit. More so than usual.
This is an inevitable consequence of the advent of the internet, along with all the other wonderful bits of global mass media. The pervasive extent of mass communication causes a sort of “zeitgeist on steroids” (with apologies to Phil Shuman) to emerge as the inherently collectivist youth of a Civic generation find their trend toward cultural and ideological uniformity reinforced by the technology of the time.
The net result of this is that you get a sort of melting pot that blends individual identities instead of ethnic identities. An ethnic melting pot advances humanity by destroying inane, morally random forms of collective identity. An individual melting pot retards (”retard” doesn’t just mean “mentally handicapped person”, you fucking cunt) human progress by destroying individuality, thereby removing that which gives us our intrinsic moral worth as thinking beings. It also shits all over any form of artistic expression, as artistic innovation is driven by unique, different approaches, which a homogenized generation cannot take.
All is not lost however, for one of the truest laws of social dynamics holds true here as well; every change triggers a backlash.
No zeitgeist can be truly all encompassing. Humanity, for the moment, is not made to order, and the skinny bits of the bell curve chafe under the imperium of the median.
So they push back, and define themselves.
The reason nobody talks about it is because it doesn’t fit the normal rebellion archetype, where cool kids flaunt their parents. Here, its geeks flaunting their peers.
And that, ladies, gentlemen, and spambots, is the crux of the matter. The only cultural contributions of gen-y, outside of the liquefied shit spewed out by the mainstream, will come from nerds.
In short, the geek shall inherit the Earth.
ATL
November 10th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
32Gen Y can kiss my ass. Chronologically I’m in Gen Y but I don’t consider myself a part of them. I hate to admit it but Gen X and the boomers are better. Why? They have individuality. Gen Y is a bunch of zombies…oh, and the stereotype of them being open and tolerant and kissy poo is a bunch of hot air. Gen Y is more prone to being hostile towards LGBT people and racial minorities, for example. Here is a ’scientific’ breakdown of them in general:
40% - Perverts, hoes, and golddiggers
40% - Nazis and Commie pinkos
20% - encourages and pimps on the rest
Live Free or Die!
Jake
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:38 pm
33Culture or not, it is the greed and reckless spending of Generation X that has led this country down the drain. Generation X was handed a troubled world by the greatest generation and the baby boomers then, instead of working to fix it, pursued the short-term gain, the high profit margin, the dollar above all else. Now look at where we are. Thanks a lot.
Alexander
December 10th, 2008 at 3:15 am
34As someone from “Generation Y,” I have to unfortunately agree. Not that I don’t appreciate some of our contributions to culture (I’m mostly hesitant to chastise “pop-punk”; Blink-182 still had the right attitude), and indeed, culture abounds in the underground. However, I am forced to recognize that for every legitimate Beatles fan I know, I can name ten people who have only heard the “Across the Universe” soundtrack. For every Gen-Y person who knows that Georgia is also a country, two more don’t know where Iraq is. And for every person from my generation who has attended a protest, thousands are proud of nothing more than joining a Facebook group for the cause, or signing an online petition.
In short, what depresses me most about my generation is that I fear we will never be able to experience life with the vitality of our counterparts in the 60s and 70s. Events like Woodstock have been commodified and marketed toward my generation; crude perversions of priceless artifacts from our country’s history.
I am depressed by stories of college life passed on to me by my parents. The mothers and fathers of my friends tell me all the grungy details of their summer roadtrips - makeshift preparations for the all-night, drunken soirées of college life. My own parents leave only vague hints, seeds for my imagination, watered with freshman keg parties.
“It was a different time,” they tell me. I unfortunately couldn’t agree more.
If Generation X is accusing us of being culture-less, conservative, passive consumerists, then I would like to formally point the finger back at them. Helicopter parents, increased law-enforcement, the middle class dream of Daly City-life. It’s all reminiscent of early post-war America, and this is where my hope lies.
I say give Generation Y some time to mature. With the end of the war in Iraq, I believe we’ll seize the opportunity to recreate American culture. We’ll be beatniks before you know it. We’ll pave the path to a new appreciation for what life can really be outside the shackles of supply and demand.
As Hunter S. Thompson said, “And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave… So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.”
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